Parodiso

[Synchronized]

What banning Stratos does among other things is that Destiny Draw ditching Malicious when you want to becomes a crapshoot -- instead of Malicious being signed, sealed, and hand-delivered right to Destiny Draw's doorstep courtesy of Stratos, thus ensuring a Level 6 Synchro Material in the Grave at your beck and call, in addition to the two cards Destiny Draw provides, Malicious is now practically unsearchable and thus Malicious + Destiny Draw is rendered inconsistent.

 

I should get back to what I was doing.

 

 

I feel like whenever someone presents a form of logic or poses a question about one of your decisions, your responses are to give one reason why things have changed in order to justify the card's position on the list as a whole instead of realizing that in the bigger picture, it's still a problem card.  

 

Your format has 3 Foolish Burial, 3 Malicious, and Plaguespreader Zombie as well as stuff like Goyo Guardian.  A twisted form of Tele-DaD or even some kind of obscure Deck that makes use of Malicious with other Rank 6 makers (tbh I can't think off the top of my head but I'm in class so there's definitely some lack of focus).

 

Malicious is bad design and is perfect at 2.  Destiny Monarchs would be extremely viable with one of their most significant engines back.

[Cute Rotten Yoshika]

you do realize that banning stratos is not a good reason to put malicious at 3 because you also put rota at 3 which does the exact same shit?

[Agro]

you do realize that banning stratos is not a good reason to put malicious at 3 because you also put rota at 3 which does the exact same shit?

ROTA doesn''t search higher than Level 4...

The problem here is that I can now put Chaos Dragons, a Hieratic engine, Monarchs and a DHERO engine in the same deck. With 3 Plaguespreader and 3 Foolish.

[Superdoopertrooper]

you do realize that banning stratos is not a good reason to put malicious at 3 because you also put rota at 3 which does the exact same shit?

 

ITT: ROTA can search Mali.

[byak]

I guess self touch in ygo is ideal

ITT: ROTA can search Mali.

Have you read Armageddon Knight?

[Superdoopertrooper]

Have you read Armageddon Knight?

 

Also ITT: Adding a card from the deck to the hand at a +1 on a 1800 body = dumping it at a +0 on a 1400 body.

[evilfusion]

It'd be more advantageous than Foolish Burial -> Malicious, but inferior to Stratos -> D-Draw -> Malicious. But Stratos is banned on this list, so the point was that there are ways to take advantage of the other unlimits (like RotA) to support Malicious@3.

 

This is the main argument EVERYONE is bringing up. Many of the unlimits are done without considering what combos and potential there is to use the unlimited cards. With Reinforcement at 3, D-Draw @3, E-Call at 3, and Smoke Signal @3, I can easily see some sort of HERO Warrior toolbox sprouting up. Diamond Dude might become relevent again in a terrible way.

[Suibon]

Time to deal with a lot of things.

 

Goyo Guardian has the ability to shift control of the game to a player purely by being used.

 

This I vehemently disagree with -- stealing a boss monster or an Exceed, both drained of their utility outside of being beaters, and that on the user's next turn -- does not constitute a momentum swing. What I'm trying to say is that for all its bulk, even if its attack goes through and it runs over something, that something may not be of value to the user outside of being a beater.

 

If this is accepted, then other arguments I have made on Goyo's behalf will fall into place, simply because the interactive nature of Goyo's effect and the risks of Goyo being countered appear so much greater once the utility of opposing monsters and targets for Goyo summons are considered.

 

Sack, the Broken Card

{LIGHT/Level 10/Warrior/Effect}

You can special summon this card (from your hand) by banishing 2 monsters from your graveyard.  When this card destroys an opponent's monster by battle and sends it to the graveyard, you win the duel.

3000/2500

 

According to your "logic", this card is balanced.  

 

Counterability is rarely a proper argument, especially in a context like this one.

 

The unseen argument that holds your logic together is that resolving Goyo or BLS doesn't necessarily win you the duel, which is clearly not the case in many scenarios, whether it directly wins you the duel or whether is contributes to a collective effect that ultimately wins you the duel.

 

BLS-EotB is a wholly different beast from Goyo. Your card is a wholly different beast from Goyo.

 

Here's the thing -- while I think effects gained by battle can cover a multitude of sins, the possibility of ending duels (whether implied as with BLS-EotB or made explicit as is the case with your card) is one that is too much for this kind of design template to safely handle, never mind the availability of counters.

 

Or, to state it another way -- BLS-EotB and your card can end duels. Goyo -- especially given the prominence of Exceeds even under this banlist -- seldom does.

 

 

This logic is bad because, under it, all synchros are balanced just for being synchros, which is faulty in and of itself.  Examples?

[spoiler='Oh gee, I dunno']  [/spoiler] 

 

There is a difference between a card that has to battle to gain its effect and a card whose effect doesn't need the Battle Phase to resolve whatever effects it has.

It'd be more advantageous than Foolish Burial -> Malicious, but inferior to Stratos -> D-Draw -> Malicious. But Stratos is banned on this list, so the point was that there are ways to take advantage of the other unlimits (like RotA) to support Malicious@3.

 

True, but they all fail to give the same advantage as Stratos > Malicious > Destiny Draw discarding Malicious does, which is what I've been emphasizing -- given that Malicious is Level 6, why not take advantage of that fact and see if Malicious can stay?

 

 

This is the main argument EVERYONE is bringing up. Many of the unlimits are done without considering what combos and potential there is to use the unlimited cards. With Reinforcement at 3, D-Draw @3, E-Call at 3, and Smoke Signal @3, I can easily see some sort of HERO Warrior toolbox sprouting up. Diamond Dude might become relevent again in a terrible way.

 

I've considered them, and feel like the perceived potential bringing all these searchers to 3 is overstated, especially if you take note that various plays are upended with Shi[space]En and Stratos are banned.

[Sora1499]

1. Please don't use the "Xyz are relevant, revival doesn't matter!" argument, it just makes you look dumb. And you make usability as a beater sound like such a bad thing when that beater is up to the 2750 range. 2. You've just proven my point, thank you for that. And you're damn wrong if you think Goyo can't swerve duels needlessly into your favor. 3. Your argument was that it being a synchro balances it further, so my objective was to prove that statement blatantly incorrect.

[Suibon]

1. Please don't use the "Xyz are relevant, revival doesn't matter!" argument, it just makes you look dumb.

 

How exactly is pointing out Goyo may summon nothing but vanillas dumb?

 

And you make usability as a beater sound like such a bad thing when that beater is up to the 2750 range.

 

Except that the beater can't beat anyone immediately, having been summoned into Defense Position by Goyo, which means that the beater must survive till the user's own turn to be useful for beating. That form of tempo loss -- and the possibility that you may lose the beater by battle -- is a potential balancing factor.

 

2. You've just proven my point, thank you for that. And you're damn wrong if you think Goyo can't swerve duels needlessly into your favor.

 

I'm not saying it can't swerve duels into the user's favor, I'm saying that it seldom happens. Never =/= seldom.

 

 

3. Your argument was that it being a synchro balances it further, so my objective was to prove that statement blatantly incorrect.

 

I did imply that being a Synchro might make it less problematic from a design standpoint, but I did not imply that being a Synchro makes it immune to all blight.

[Mugendramon]

How exactly is pointing out Goyo may summon nothing but vanillas dumb?

 

 

It's the fact that you're not only summoning those "vanillas" or otherwise called beaters. Also let's ignore the fact that Dargo-SAC needs no materials to blow up and take another card with it.

 

There is also the most relevant fact that, given that you have that thing on you right now, your opponent does NOT have it. One fewer Elemental Dragon, a lost High Priestess, a Constellar Xyz, which given that level 6 is within your grasp could easily lead to a Messier 7 play, and even the most simple fact that they cannot Reborn it.

 

What he probably meant to say is that you're putting it in an extremely rough manner and saying it only revives vanillas is dumb  because of hasty generalization- because at WORST, it revives your OPPONENT's vanillas.