Snow_King Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Special Summon 3 "Snowflake Token"s (Aqua-Type/DIVINE/Level 2/ATK 0/DEF 0) to your opponent's side of the field in defense position with the following effects: This card can only by removed from the field by being tributed for a tribute summon. If the only monsters you control are "Snowflake Token"s, then your opponent can attack you directly. While you control this face up token, you take no effect damage. So, I made this card as my own sort of version of Ojama Trio. I made it so as not to be abusable by chain burn decks. This card either punishes your opponent for not using monsters that can be tribute summoned, or rewards them with free tribute fodder, depending on their deck. Do you think that this is a more balanced version of Ojama Trio? Is this card totally broken, pretty balanced, or watered down and underpowered? Give to me your opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I don't understand that last sentence. So, a controller of such a token cannot recieve damage? In which case, why attack the controller directly? It can work in a Cyber Blader lockdown, but thats about it (assuming the above is the case, as Cyber Blader would simply negate the effects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I don't understand that last sentence. So, a controller of such a token cannot recieve damage? In which case, why attack the controller directly? It can work in a Cyber Blader lockdown, but thats about it (assuming the above is the case, as Cyber Blader would simply negate the effects). The last sentence says that the controller of the token takes no effect damage. Battle damage and effect damage are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Kisumi-nee Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Therrion has already stated what was bothering me bout this card, another is that the stats of the tokens. |Aqua| DIVINE | Level 2 | ATK 0 | DEF 0 Did you meant to put it up as a LIGHT attribute token? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Therrion has already stated what was bothering me bout this card, another is that the stats of the tokens. |Aqua| DIVINE | Level 2 | ATK 0 | DEF 0 Did you meant to put it up as a LIGHT attribute token? No, I did not mean LIGHT, I wanted it to make DIVINE tokens, so I wrote DIVINE. Also, can you elaborate that Therrion stated that was bothering you? Because I do not understand what you mean by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Kisumi-nee Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 No, I did not mean LIGHT, I wanted it to make DIVINE tokens, so I wrote DIVINE. Also, can you elaborate that Therrion stated that was bothering you? Because I do not understand what you mean by that. Wouldn't that make it unrealistic? Cause of it's not part of the 6 attributes? Also, I meant the last sentence of the card that Therrion also mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Wouldn't that make it unrealistic? Cause of it's not part of the 6 attributes? Also, I meant the last sentence of the card that Therrion also mentioned. What about the last sentence? While you control a snowflake token, you take no effect damage. No chain burn abusing the card. You still take battle damage from the direct attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♥Kisumi-nee Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 What about the last sentence? While you control a snowflake token, you take no effect damage. No chain burn abusing the card. You still take battle damage from the direct attacks. Yes, I know, I also meant that Therrion has cleared up the problem I saw with the card. I misunderstood it like he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockWaveSweeper Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Ok, Three cards, plus this one, for a combo. Umi (or any alt-Umi) Tornado Wall, and Dark Snake Syndrome. Umi+Tornado Wall= no battle damage and DSS normally damages both players, but the tokens stop you from taking the damage. now did anyone else see that or is it too obscure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Ok, Three cards, plus this one, for a combo. Umi (or any alt-Umi) Tornado Wall, and Dark Snake Syndrome. Umi+Tornado Wall= no battle damage and DSS normally damages both players, but the tokens stop you from taking the damage. now did anyone else see that or is it too obscure If you activate this card, your opponent gets the tokens, meaning THEY take no effect damage. The owner of "Snow Flurry" can still take effect damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Holy hell, talk about a badly designed card. The only competetive deck at the moment that I can see using the tokens as tribute material are Dragon Rulers, but does that mean that decks that don't run to Tribute Summon monsters have to suffer? And sure, your opponent can still get out an Xyz to at least try to hold you off, but guess what? That's all they can do, and it won't help much, because the people who would use this card will be using a stall deck. In the end, all this card does is supporta badly designed aspect of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Holy hell, talk about a badly designed card. The only competetive deck at the moment that I can see using the tokens as tribute material are Dragon Rulers, but does that mean that decks that don't run to Tribute Summon monsters have to suffer? And sure, your opponent can still get out an Xyz to at least try to hold you off, but guess what? That's all they can do, and it won't help much, because the people who would use this card will be using a stall deck. In the end, all this card does is supporta badly designed aspect of the game. What?? Really, what percent of your decks don't have a ton of monsters that you can tribute summon? You do realize that gorz, REDMD, high priestess, Abyssmegalo, great shogun shien, and ext, can all be tribute summoned, even though they are normally special summoned, don't you? And secondly, I would not use it in a stall deck. I would use it in the most aggressive deck that I have, because I can still attack the opponent, and hope that they don't have any high-level monsters in their hand. This is a very well balanced card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorSempra Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 What?? Really, what percent of your decks don't have a ton of monsters that you can tribute summon? You do realize that gorz, REDMD, high priestess, Abyssmegalo, great shogun shien, and ext, can all be tribute summoned, even though they are normally special summoned, don't you? And secondly, I would not use it in a stall deck. I would use it in the most aggressive deck that I have, because I can still attack the opponent, and hope that they don't have any high-level monsters in their hand. This is a very well balanced card. I wish I could point all the things wrong with that statement, but I'd be here forever. First off: Anything DIVINE is not allowed, period. It's in the rules. Secondly: Don't be so arrogant as toot your own horn, if you think it's so balanced don't bother posting it to be judged. Third: This is OP as hell. It's literally an instant OTK card, not to mention consuming three zones that are pretty hard to get back. Especially with how fast upper tier decks play, this card would pretty much be an instant GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I wish I could point all the things wrong with that statement, but I'd be here forever. First off: Anything DIVINE is not allowed, period. It's in the rules. Secondly: Don't be so arrogant as toot your own horn, if you think it's so balanced don't bother posting it to be judged. Third: This is OP as hell. It's literally an instant OTK card, not to mention consuming three zones that are pretty hard to get back. Especially with how fast upper tier decks play, this card would pretty much be an instant GG. An instant OTK card? Really? Care to explain your "reasoning" behind that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorSempra Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 An instant OTK card? Really? Care to explain your "reasoning" behind that statement? Yeeah, it's simple: While your opponent has these, he can be attacked directly. With teh speed and force of the upper tier decks in the current meat, getting 8K damage on the field is a piece of cake. And even if they don't, It will take some rather uncomfortable doing to get rid of these, and as long as they have at least one on the field, that's another turn their open to getting violently raped directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 Yeeah, it's simple: While your opponent has these, he can be attacked directly. With teh speed and force of the upper tier decks in the current meat, getting 8K damage on the field is a piece of cake. And even if they don't, It will take some rather uncomfortable doing to get rid of these, and as long as they have at least one on the field, that's another turn their open to getting violently raped directly. No, the tokens help the opponent bounce back with even more power than before. They get free tribute fodder to bring out their strongest monsters. And also, yeah, you can attack them directly if the only monster they control is "Snowflake Token". If they had no monsters when you activated this spell, then you didn't change anything. You would have been attacking them directly anyway. I don't see how this is compulsive toward an OTK in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorSempra Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 No, the tokens help the opponent bounce back with even more power than before. They get free tribute fodder to bring out their strongest monsters. And also, yeah, you can attack them directly if the only monster they control is "Snowflake Token". If they had no monsters when you activated this spell, then you didn't change anything. You would have been attacking them directly anyway. I don't see how this is compulsive toward an OTK in the slightest. On your turn. Dark Hole, drop this, use E-drags to summon up a crapstorm of powerful Xyzes, game. Just like that. Now they have to figure out how to tribute these god-awful things, when in reality the meta decks right now don't really use tribute summon. ANd if you ARE tribute summoning any of those cards above, you need to stop playing the game, cause you're doing it so wrong it's laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_King Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 On your turn. Dark Hole, drop this, use E-drags to summon up a crapstorm of powerful Xyzes, game. Just like that. Now they have to figure out how to tribute these god-awful things, when in reality the meta decks right now don't really use tribute summon. ANd if you ARE tribute summoning any of those cards above, you need to stop playing the game, cause you're doing it so wrong it's laughable. First off, yeah, dark hole, than summon out all your dragons and attack. Snow Flurry card makes no difference about that. Secondly, The reason people like you look down on tribute summoning, is that it uses up a lot of your own resources. If you have a field junked up by Snowflake Tokens, then tributing them to bring out your powerful monsters that you would not normally be able to bring out otherwise is not laughably wrong. It isn't using up any of your own resources, and tribute summoning is then opening more spaces for monsters up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 What?? Really, what percent of your decks don't have a ton of monsters that you can tribute summon? You do realize that gorz, REDMD, high priestess, Abyssmegalo, great shogun shien, and ext, can all be tribute summoned, even though they are normally special summoned, don't you? Bravo, you can name a few decks that run monsters that can be Tribute Summoned, but guess what, that's only a handful of decks that actually run those cards that you listed, but alas, that changes nothing, given how Phrophecies actually don't run more than 1 priestress anymore, gorz and REDMD are both @1, Six Sams aren't ran in the competetive scene (aka the meta) and don't run more than 1 Grandmaster anyways etc. This is a very well balanced card. This, balanced? Oh for the love of god, you're actually serious about this being balanced. Well, where do I start? Firstly, not all decks run monsters that need to be Tribute Summoned. I already provided the argument, so I'm not going to go into detail with this one, and secondly, this is hell on Earth for the decks that don't run Level 5+ monsters. Do those decks have to suffer for that fact that they don't run Tragoedia / Gorz just to counter this card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I'm laughing hard at the people who said tributes aren't viable at all. Have you read Treeborn Frog, Ronintoadin', and Dracossack/Number 42? I mean, it's no defense, but they ARE viable. Also, OP, you aren't allowed to say your card is inherently balanced/not broken/etc. One posted, it's up to review, and you give the reins to everyone else. But, do not take them at face value, and actually discuss with them and explain how you feel they are incorrect. I know you did that a bit, but do avoid saying "it's balanced". Feel free to post it again if you actually make it realistic (Not Divine, namely). Punishments for those who broke the clause will be doled out soon. I wish I could point all the things wrong with that statement, but I'd be here forever.Then be here forever. RC is for improvement, not empty comments that lay out 0 content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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