Last Trick [ANIME]

[ihop]

This is a pretty moronic argument. 

 

Anyway this is pretty broken if it really is for the whole turn, if not it still seems pretty good and involves a part of the game that IMO shouldn't exist which is adding opponent's cards to your hand.

[Dementuo]

So what you're saying here is that you know that is how it works? Why havn't you presented that proof that I asked for then?

I'm saying that as far as I can know, I know how it works. You're getting caught up in thinking that if what I say is a belief, then I must not be certain/can't possibly know for sure, or if what I say is certain, than I must have some proof. Neither of these are true.

For an example, take any religion. There will be some people who, 100%, believe that a god exists in this world. Do they have proof? No. Is it their belief? Yes. Does this mean that they can't say for 100% certain that god exists? Sure they can, it's what they have faith in, and in their eyes, it's true.

[玄魔の王]

Zazu, please stop. I know it annoys some people to portray opinion as fact, but it annoys far more people to continue a pointless argument for no good reason.

If it required chaining to the card, it couldn't have been used as it was in the anime as you can't chain to Super Fusion. Besides, at that time it would have said "Activate only if...". That leaves us two choices, the ones I laid out earlier.

[Aerion Brightflame]

So what you're saying here is that you know that is how it works? Why havn't you presented that proof that I asked for then?No. I'm not going to stop. People need to learn the differnce, and I don't want any misinterpretations, I want it to be clear.

 

Zazu, you are one of the last people on the forum to be calling others out for what they have said no offense. Carrying it on is being unnecessarily stubborn and childish. This is an ANIME card most likely never going to be released irl. The argument about how it works is pointless.

 

Except here there is no difference between that. Hell, unless you plan on teaching the many million or even billion people in the world the difference between opinion and fact and how they should be expressed, having this argument is pointless.

 

OT: Annoyingly he with the symbols in his name said the point about Super Poly I'd noticed. It has to be either a lingering effect, or something like Gardna, because the anime Super Poly lore has the no chaining part.

[Zazubat]

If it required chaining to the card, it couldn't have been used as it was in the anime as you can't chain to Super Fusion. Besides, at that time it would have said "Activate only if...". That leaves us two choices, the ones I laid out earlier.

I havn't watched the episode, but the way you describe it, it would make more sense if it said "If your opponent activated a Spell Card that was sent to the Graveyard this turn: Add that card to your hand." That would be a one time use effect. If it was for every card, it would probably be more like "Each your opponent activated a Spell Card that was sent to the Graveyard this turn: Add that card to your hand"

[玄魔の王]

OT: Annoyingly he with the symbols in his name said the point about Super Poly I'd noticed. It has to be either a lingering effect, or something like Gardna, because the anime Super Poly lore has the no chaining part.

 

 

You're right Barty, you did mention it earlier. I restated it because of Zazu's insistence it had to directly chain to the activated card, as he seemed to not note that.

And Zazu, it's a pre-PSCT approximation based on the card's use, so it's not that simple.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Yes, I am Barty.

 

And I think Zazu not having seen the episode explains it more than anything. It makes more sense for it being lingering in the context it was used in.

 

Also don't forget Zazu this was made in the time of weird wording, where it wasn't simplish to understand.

[Zazubat]

Also don't forget Zazu this was made in the time of weird wording, where it wasn't simplish to understand.

Wasn't it mentioned earlier that the effect wasn't shown and that it was only from what people could gather from the use of it? I mean, cards don't just change because the text wasn't shown.

[玄魔の王]

Yes, I am Barty.

 

And I think Zazu not having seen the episode explains it more than anything. It makes more sense for it being lingering in the context it was used in.

 

Yes, I know you are Barty.

 

Wasn't it mentioned earlier that the effect wasn't shown and that it was only from what people could gather from the use of it? I mean, cards don't just change because the text wasn't shown.

 

No, but if people have to interpret the wording of the card because they have no written reference they may not know how to properly phrase it.

[Superdoopertrooper]

Cause Decks don't run Heavy Storm, Monster Reborn, Pot of Duality, Pot of Avarice, Dark Hole, Book of Moon, Gold Sarcophagus, Forbidden Lance, Mystical Space Typhoon... the list goes on. I mean, if they MST or Heavy Storm this card, you can just use it, and then you get that card in return. That just isn't very fair now is it? You clearly don't know much about this game do you?

 

If your opponent uses Heavy Storm while you have this down, a] you still lose all the cards you had down, and b] they then know you have Storm so they wont set more than 1 after that, and you could be playing a deck like Rulers or Mermails that don't even run backrow. So it will never be as useful as what theirs was. Monster Reborn, the opponent has already gotten the best monster, and they are probably going to OTK you now anyway because you were playing this card instead of something that could stop their plays. Lol @ all the others like Duality etc. As for the MST argument, that's just yet another card out of 1 million that can +1 off a blind, badly played MST, big whoop. And I'd be willing to bet that I know more about this game than you do.

[Organized Chaos]

It's quite amusing seeing Zazu make an argument over nothing so he can milk posts from this thread.
OT: For once, I agree with Supertrooper. You may be getting one/many powerful cards but your opponent will know which cards you're using and they will have already used the Spell against you and have probably gone for game if the spell is that powerful. There aren't that many Decks in the Meta that are really stopped by any Spell already used. In casual play, yeah the card seems a bit silly. But in competitive play, it seems a bit too slow to do anything really significant. Monster Reborn is the only true legit target but even then, it might not help you that much.

[玄魔の王]

So then consensus is it's a non-comp card?

[~British Soul~]

It's quite amusing seeing Zazu make an argument over nothing so he can milk posts from this thread.

Most definately, he just seems to dig an even bigger hole for himself.

 

OT: I also agree with SDT because your opponent will know what card you are grabbing, and chances are it won't help you as much as it helped them, especially in this meta. This card is too slow and unreliable to be useful.

[Zazubat]

nm.

[.codex]

If your opponent uses Heavy Storm while you have this down, a] you still lose all the cards you had down, and b] they then know you have Storm so they wont set more than 1 after that, and you could be playing a deck like Rulers or Mermails that don't even run backrow. So it will never be as useful as what theirs was. Monster Reborn, the opponent has already gotten the best monster, and they are probably going to OTK you now anyway because you were playing this card instead of something that could stop their plays. Lol @ all the others like Duality etc. As for the MST argument, that's just yet another card out of 1 million that can +1 off a blind, badly played MST, big whoop. And I'd be willing to bet that I know more about this game than you do.

You are saying that having 2 Heavy Storms and Monster Reborns is a bad thing? WTF is wrong with you. Oh, and I'm sure you do know more about the game than I do. I have heard about your reputation around here, it looks like many dislike your opinions. So will you stop acting like a god damn retard?

[玄魔の王]

.codex, that's fallacious reasoning caled Appeal to Origin. Just because a controversial member says something does not make it untrue. What he's saying is they know you have the card so they'll play defensively around it.

[.codex]

.codex, that's fallacious reasoning caled Appeal to Origin. Just because a controversial member says something does not make it untrue. What he's saying is they know you have the card so they'll play defensively around it.

Monster Reborn = Cannot be played around, that just grabs something for you.
Heavy Storm = Your opponent knows you have it, won't play their ace Spell/Trap Cards as much, making you have an easier time
Dark Hole = They won't Summon as many monsters, maybe messing up their potential play.
Forbidden Lance = The card can be Set, making it harder for your opponent to know when you have it or not.

This is just a card that shouldn't exist, for the fact that grabing your opponent's cards should never be a thing in the game, at least not without any costs or conditions. Sure, it isn't as useful right now, since many Decks don't need those cards to survive, but that doesn't mean it cannot break a lot of things. Side this Deck for mirror matches as well, it isn't a good card to exist, regardless of how the card is suppose to work.

[玄魔の王]

@Lance: um, the different sleeve will give it away.
@Heavy and Dark Hole: they aren't even mained anymore, and when they are used they're to clear the way for an OTK.
@Reborn: like he said, the best target will be gone, you're left with second-best.

[.codex]

@Lance: um, the different sleeve will give it away.
@Heavy and Dark Hole: they aren't even mained anymore, and when they are used they're to clear the way for an OTK.
@Reborn: like he said, the best target will be gone, you're left with second-best.

Of course, the different completely unchangable sleeve *facepalm* take the sleeve from one of your cards in the Graveyard, probably the one you had for Last Trick and use that if you have to

You have to be a moron not to at least main Heavy Storm. Dark Hole makes more sense, though it is still a problem card.

The fuck you mean the best target is gone? Your cards are the most important cards, very rarely will you need to take an opponnet's monster.

[玄魔の王]

Of course the judge will let you sleeve your opponent's card as your own. That will in no way seem like an attempt to steal or mark their card.

I fail to see how being able to take a problem card nobody runs is in any way threatening. And since most backrow this format is chainable anyway, Heavy doesn't matter much.

You're the one who said mirror match, which invalidates the whole "your opponent won't take your monsters" argument because the best monster among both graveyards is that for both players. In separate decks maybe, but again Reborn gets used for OTKs so it's likely too late to help you.