Number 73: Abyss Splash the Roaring Waterfall Deity

[evilfusion]

ITT: pitching ideas for the stated goal of summoning this isn't worth it because better monsters can be made for the same cost.

 

That wasn't my point. My point was simply noting the fact this isn't generic drastically reduces its playability because it's not worth being non-generic. I used Pleiades as a contrast because it also isn't generic, but it's an amazing card despite that. The fact most generic Rank 5s are much better than this card does not help it, either.

[玄魔の王]

I agree with you, it's been drastically nerfed from its anime form and lost a lot of playability in doing so. But if it becomes your explicit goal to use this card, you have that right, and that's really the point of these discussions, non?

[evilfusion]

Of course. My original post wasn't saying "Don't try to Summon this", it was "the problem with cards like this...", cards like this is defined as watered-down effects with Summon Conditions that aren't worth the stats or effect, especially when compared to monsters that can be Summoned with generic Summon Conditions.

 

Whereas some cards, like Number 92, have ridiculously difficult Summon Conditions that make it impractical to use, despite the awesome effect, this is more a card that's outclassed by default, because its Summoning method restricts it to certain Decks that don't need it over other options. Ironically, that means Abyss Splash is not Splashable.

 

WATER actually has a ton of level modifying effects and monsters well-suited to being used as Material for Rank 5s.

[Dog King]

This needs a buff because summoning conditions are hard and eff is bad

[~British Soul~]

This needs a buff because summoning conditions are hard and eff is bad

The eff and requirements in the OP is the IRL eff. (The anime version was generic and didn't have a OPT clause)

[Dog King]

[quote name="~British Soul~" post="6254195" timestamp="1376125964"]The eff and requirements in the OP is the IRL eff. (The anime version was generic and didn't have a OPT clause)[/quote] Oh Also how did people know it was generic unless it was summoned with a non water in the anime?

[~British Soul~]

Oh. Also how did people know it was generic unless it was summoned with a non water in the anime?

When it was first used, the materials weren't WATER.

Also: The anime version                                                                Comparing to 106 IRL which is generic

The text for the requirements on both versions match.

[Dog King]

[quote name="~British Soul~" post="6254199" timestamp="1376126357"]When it was first used, the materials weren't WATER. Also: The anime version                                                                Comparing to 106 IRL which is generic The text for the requirements on both versions match.[/quote] Oh well actually i guess this card would of been ok as a generic but i guess konami tought it would of been too goodnasngeneric and mademit water instead, I think wind ups with istant fusuon which use a lv 5 water fusion monster could use this

[~British Soul~]

Oh well actually i guess this card would of been ok as a generic but i guess konami thought it would of been too good as generic and made it water instead, I think wind ups with Instant fusion which use a lv 5 water fusion monster could use this

I don't think it needed a material nerf as well as an effect nerf tbh.

[玄魔の王]

And yet somehow, they managed to not nerf it as badly as Judge Buster...

[Dog King]

[quote name="~British Soul~" post="6254209" timestamp="1376131640"]I don't think it needed a material nerf as well as an effect nerf tbh.[/quote] Well it would of been a generic rank 5 with 4800 atl

[~British Soul~]

Well it would of been a generic rank 5 with 4800 ATK

I know, but I guess this is all they could really do it.