Horn of the Phantom Beast

[Yeezus]

 

Koko and I have been discussing this card's place in Fire Fist. I argue that this card is a fairly good choice and from what looks like a control meta coming up this card could be very viable. 

Opinions, ycm?

[.Leo]

removed the bad ygos. But good card is good and if you have a good amount of targets, I don't see a reason why not to play it this format.

[Sander]

With Scapegoat back at 3, it enables more drawing possibility if people start playing it more. 

 

This requires for the destroyed monster to be sent to the Graveyard, aka Tokens will not trigger Horn's effect.

[Northern Sage]

Formations are generally preferable in the case of Fire Fists, but it is a nice card with decent targets.

[.Leo]

This requires for the destroyed monster to be sent to the Graveyard, aka Tokens will not trigger Horn's effect.

 

bad ygos on my part again no.

 

Well, it is still good regardless.

[ihop]

It's decent in Bujin too as you can rely on keeping Yamato alive and just give it a bigger body. Obviously it's also good in T.G. etc.

[Sora1499]

This + Susanowo = awesome

[ihop]

This + Susanowo = awesome

 

Man, I didn't even think of that.

[Dog King]

Idk why you wouldnt use lance over this tho

[Sora1499]

[quote name=".Wat" post="6256443" timestamp="1376425350"]Idk why you wouldnt use lance over this tho[/quote] This card allows you to draw.

[Toffee.]

More or less, if you run a lot of Beast/Beast-Warrior-Types, you can run like 2-3 of these; It allows for Damage Step shenanigans, your monsters running over others, and also doubles as a draw engine that rewards player interaction.
TBH, it's just a solid card in general.

[Dog King]

[quote name="Sora no Makishima" post="6256446" timestamp="1376425833"]This card allows you to draw.[/quote] I know that but lance can do more things and its a quick play spell

[Dementuo]

You don't have to run this over lance/vice verse in Bujins cause you can run both.

But I still think this is a very good card, especially with a slower format coming up.

[Dog King]

[quote name="Dem the Dragophile" post="6256487" timestamp="1376431775"]You don't have to run this over lance/vice verse in Bujins cause you can run both. But I still think this is a very good card, especially with a slower format coming up.[/quote] Idk about slow, i really dont think it will be slow And still theres other better choices than this

[Rawkobo]

Idk about slow, i really dont think it will be slow And still theres other better choices than this

 

Answering in order:

 

True. I mean, for Bujin, you're going to pass with Yamato on the table to set up your big plays in the coming turns, and I don't see first turn Dracossack or Big Eye being a thing anymore except for people who still want to try to play Harpies. So I guess you could say backrow matters a tiiiiiiny bit more.

 

Nah, though. There's a board for a reason when it comes to Lance, if you honestly can't find space in the main. But you should, because if you're generating card advantage, you can debate over using Chain/Compulse and this if you end up with a similar net gain out of it.

[Dog King]

[quote name="Rawk" post="6256753" timestamp="1376473148"]Answering in order:   True. I mean, for Bujin, you're going to pass with Yamato on the table to set up your big plays in the coming turns, and I don't see first turn Dracossack or Big Eye being a thing anymore except for people who still want to try to play Harpies. So I guess you could say backrow matters a tiiiiiiny bit more.   Nah, though. There's a board for a reason when it comes to Lance, if you honestly can't find space in the main. But you should, because if you're generating card advantage, you can debate over using Chain/Compulse and this if you end up with a similar net gain out of it.[/quote] What do you mean first turn draccos or big eyes are still done in dragons

[Dementuo]

What do you mean first turn draccos or big eyes are still done in dragons

Which are leaving the format in half a month.

[Sora1499]

[quote name="Dem the Dragophile" post="6256783" timestamp="1376478721"]Which are leaving the format in half a month.[/quote] Old Dragon Rulers will still exist you know, and they were good as a deck. Not nearly as busted as they are now though

[Dementuo]

Old Dragon Rulers will still exist you know, and they were good as a deck. Not nearly as busted as they are now though

The baby dragons are what make the deck. Without them, you can, at max, get 2 Rank 7s out in a single turn, and that's ONLY if you can use every dragons' effect to summon itself, bar tribute summoning and other level 7 monsters.

Without the babies, Super Rejuv becomes much less useful in the deck, meaning you have less recovery.

Without the babies, Gold Sarc can't just instantly give you free monsters to the board.

Without the babies, the adult dragons lose most of their banishing fodder as well as their more common search targets.

 

So sure, they can still exist, but if you expect to see a first-turn Dragossack with consistency even remotely close to what they can do now, you're poorly mistaken. If anything, the deck will fall out of favor due to the influx of Bujins, Fire Fists, and other decks that are on the rise, both from newer sets as well as those receiving boosts from the banlist.

 

If anything, I'd expect Spellbooks to see more play than Dragons next month.

[Sora1499]

The baby dragons are what make the deck. Without them, you can, at max, get 2 Rank 7s out in a single turn, and that's ONLY if you can use every dragons' effect to summon itself, bar tribute summoning and other level 7 monsters.

Without the babies, Super Rejuv becomes much less useful in the deck, meaning you have less recovery.

Without the babies, Gold Sarc can't just instantly give you free monsters to the board.

Without the babies, the adult dragons lose most of their banishing fodder as well as their more common search targets.

 

So sure, they can still exist, but if you expect to see a first-turn Dragossack with consistency even remotely close to what they can do now, you're poorly mistaken. If anything, the deck will fall out of favor due to the influx of Bujins, Fire Fists, and other decks that are on the rise, both from newer sets as well as those receiving boosts from the banlist.

 

If anything, I'd expect Spellbooks to see more play than Dragons next month.

Oh yeah, without a doubt, Spellbooks are still a really solid deck, just not out-the-door bananas.

[Dog King]

[quote name="Dem the Dragophile" post="6256783" timestamp="1376478721"]Which are leaving the format in half a month.[/quote] Half of the good players are testing them for the new format and from what i seen they are good Not as good but now they play a more synchro version with dragon ravine Also the deck still has gold sarc at 3 and sworsa at 3 and the big dragons at 12 which is still good combos

[Rawkobo]

I...really don't see that as what defines whether or not someone uses the card or not.

 

Sure, fine, Rulers and Prophecy are still decks. But now that Prophecy has to play Priestess to play Sack/Eye, and Rulers have less of a chance to plus and require Ravine to get going (ask Gravekeepers about how much thought has to go into maintaining a field spell), it shows the format is slowing down a bit.

Which makes this card more effective as a backrow response to someone having to attack before they make their Sack/Big Eye because they're short a card, meaning that you don't really have to have Compulse. I really don't see what the point of still talking about this format is when we're all now, as of this banlist, thinking completely ahead of things.

 

I mean, even now, people are using this card because it's a good response to every deck that isn't Rulers/Prophecy and has to beat low against stuff like Yamato/Bear/Susanowo/Tiger King.

[Dementuo]

Not as good but now they play a more synchro version with dragon ravine

This just completely contradicts the point you were trying to make about how we're supposedly still going to see turn 1 Dragossacks everywhere.