Northern Sage Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Old news, sure, but it's worth making a topic of. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Isn't it fairly normal for this kind of legislation to happen in Russia? it doesn't justify it, but unless I'm horribly wrong (in which case, I apologize) Russia never has, been open minded about anything relating to people outside of the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman ali Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Do not expect him to do much for the gay riots. The guy is helping with the war in Syria, a more important issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 A very depressing situation. Of narcoterrorism and tenderness, they really do feel more threatened by the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Isn't America supposed to be super conservative compared to all of Europe? Who's socially progressive now bitches? Anyway, I'm not really a fan of throwing propaganda at children anyway, but this bill is a little much. Still, I doubt it will affect parents telling their children things. Also, banning the gay pride parades is a pretty low blow. Freedom of speech man should be universal in my opinion. (Although I suppose this would be freedom of assembly.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 "GAYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY AND HAVE ALL THESE RIGHTS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST" "ok cool" "I don't agree with gay marriage" "FUCK YOU IGNORANT TARD BE MORE OPEN MINDED" Yeah, once people stop being hypocritical I'll actually care about them being able to marry. Should they? Yeah. But I really don't care about them. They preach freedom yet when someone disagrees with them they get pissed and call them ignorant and close-minded. If you want your opinion to be accepted then accept other's opinions. There are people who don't agree with it. That's the way they've been raised and how they've thought their whole lives. Just because you think they should think otherwise doesn't mean they will. Kinda like the whole Chic-Fil-A deal. Their CEO expressed his feelings and everyone got pissy at him. Who gives a shit, seriously. Russia is no different. You really think Russia of all countries is going to care if people are upset with them for this? They don't want it happening, its not going to happen. Besides, gay people are acting like they have no rights at all. The only right they do not have is the right to marry (bar some states and countries). They have equal rights otherwise. Its hugely exaggerated and its probably all for attention. HEY GUYS WE'RE GAY NOW LIKE US AND SUPPORT US AND MAKE US FEEL GOOD. No, shut the hell up and go away. I don't care if you're gay, I never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 "GAYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY AND HAVE ALL THESE RIGHTS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST" "ok cool" "I don't agree with gay marriage" "FUCK YOU IGNORANT TARD BE MORE OPEN MINDED" Yeah, once people stop being hypocritical I'll actually care about them being able to marry. Should they? Yeah. But I really don't care about them. They preach freedom yet when someone disagrees with them they get pissed and call them ignorant and close-minded. If you want your opinion to be accepted then accept other's opinions. There are people who don't agree with it. That's the way they've been raised and how they've thought their whole lives. Just because you think they should think otherwise doesn't mean they will. Kinda like the whole Chic-Fil-A deal. Their CEO expressed his feelings and everyone got pissy at him. Who gives a shit, seriously. Russia is no different. You really think Russia of all countries is going to care if people are upset with them for this? They don't want it happening, its not going to happen. Besides, gay people are acting like they have no rights at all. The only right they do not have is the right to marry (bar some states and countries). They have equal rights otherwise. Its hugely exaggerated and its probably all for attention. HEY GUYS WE'RE GAY NOW LIKE US AND SUPPORT US AND MAKE US FEEL GOOD. No, shut the hell up and go away. I don't care if you're gay, I never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 "GAYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY AND HAVE ALL THESE RIGHTS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST" "ok cool" "I don't agree with gay marriage" "FUCK YOU IGNORANT TARD BE MORE OPEN MINDED" You know what else doesn't exist? A mouth from which your blatant straw man arguments have been uttered. Moreover, this topic isn't about gay marriage. This topic would not exist if it were just about gay marriage. Come back when you've done your homework. Yeah, once people stop being hypocritical I'll actually care about them being able to marry. Should they? Yeah. But I really don't care about them. They preach freedom yet when someone disagrees with them they get pissed and call them ignorant and close-minded. Sweeping generalizations. I can't stop you if you insist on not caring about any gay people, but I would hope that by default you would care about a sentient human being regardless of their sexual orientation. Why should the sentiments of a few unreasonable people in a given group render you apathetic to all people in said group whose rights you would otherwise support (since you said they should be able to marry before telling us how much you didn't care about them)? Besides, gay people are acting like they have no rights at all. The only right they do not have is the right to marry (bar some states and countries). Did you even read the thread title? FFS. HEY GUYS WE'RE GAY NOW LIKE US AND SUPPORT US AND MAKE US FEEL GOOD. No, shut the hell up and go away. I don't care if you're gay, I never will. Do gay people always shout in your area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Yes things are much better now compared to pre 2000, but I still call BS on gays having equal rights. I live close to the DC area, we have gays and trans getting stabbed and shot at on the regular. It's still hard for trans to find jobs, people staying "DL" for fear of losing theirs. The stigma is strong damn near anywhere you go in this world, and that's why I don't have a problem with this, because the stigma will not go away unless you fight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You know what else doesn't exist? A mouth from which your blatant straw man arguments have been uttered. Bullshit. I've seen that response on this site and on others. Hell, I've seen worse. Now, you can justify it if you want, but don't call it a strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 It was a straw man argument. The situation in hand is about recognising homosexuality as a norm in Russia, which is virtually unrelated to supposed rights gays call out for (I'm not entirely sure where this is coming from, because I can't think of many gays demanding 'rights that don't exist'). To be honest, it's less about rights, and more about the discrimination, which is entirely still present pretty much everywhere. I'd happily go say that the LGBT community have a greater stigma on them than with black racism. I consider the campaign for gay rights in America to be the first step into utilising it elsewhere (I mean, just consider many African countries and their stance on homosexuality). Isn't it gross stereotyping to put all gays into the archetype of 'shouty, arrogant people' anyway? If we replaced 'gay' with 'black', and 'marriage' with 'vote', suddenly that looks quite peculiar. Regarding Russia, the issue should be dealt with sometime in the foreseeable future, but the important focus on Syria does mean that there's little chance of the issue being resolved as of present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Bullshit. I've seen that response on this site and on others. Hell, I've seen worse. Now, you can justify it if you want, but don't call it a strawman. Specific links and quotes from YCM or GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Specific links and quotes from YCM or GTFO. Really old, so I can't, but I PROMISE YOU that I remember one guy saying that he was against it and he got negged into oblivion, along with everyone giving him shit over it. You're saying that NO ONE has EVER delivered a hostile response toward someone stating an opinion they don't like, or at least that nobody has in regard to this issue. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman ali Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 In all honesty, I think this is quiet funny. Not because Uranians have no rights, but because humans are extremely selfish. Living in the middle east taught me too many things. One of them is putting people who are suffering more than you before oneself. We have been bombed, massacred, beheaded and so on for centuries yet people get angry for having little rights. I hate to break it to you, denizens, but, humanity has no rights. We never had. We have always been controlled by a higher authority, the hierarchy, the top of the pyramid. We have whatever they kick down to us. And some have nothing. The middle east has been occupied for decades because of our natural resources. They said Saddam—a terrible dictator—had weapons of mass destruction. But they found nothing upon their arrival, why? Because the hierarchy wanted the oil, not to remove the weapons. They knew there was nothing. Afghanistan as well. Osama was a CIA tactician, they used him as in excuse to get into Afghanistan because there was, believe it or not, drugs being "grown". Call me a conspiracy theorist but once you live in the middle east you know what is going on. And don't tell me "we have people starving" because I am pretty sure people starving would prefer to starve than stepping on landmines every god damned day. We need to stop putting ourselves in front of everybody. There are people that need those riots to stop their heads from being cut off for no reason; getting chemically bombed by rebel soldiers who do not care about toppling the President's regime, they just want to have a little "fun". Research into those "rebels" in Syria and you will find that 3/4 of them were already in jail. They were let out to continue their "fun". You tell me if cutting a guy's head and then eating his organs is a normal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Really old, so I can't, but I PROMISE YOU that I remember one guy saying that he was against it and he got negged into oblivion, along with everyone giving him shit over it. Why should it be such a point of concern for you that arguments against gay rights aren't heard out when this case of yours that you insist happened literally happened years ago (that's how long it's been since YCM's had "negs"), and nothing like it has reoccured since? You're saying that NO ONE has EVER delivered a hostile response toward someone stating an opinion they don't like, or at least that nobody has in regard to this issue. Come on. No, I'm saying that Eury was using nonexistent outrageous quotes from imaginary gay rights advocates to oversimplify and skew the context to portray a vast number of people in a negative light rather than to actually resolve his points of difference with real people of unique and complex opinions and arguments. Those against gay rights aren't necessarily zen as can be either, and I resent that they should be represented as being so much more level-headed than their opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Why should it be such a point of concern for you that arguments against gay rights aren't heard out when this case of yours that you insist happened literally happened years ago (that's how long it's been since YCM's had "negs"), and nothing like it has reoccured since? No, I'm saying that Eury was using nonexistent outrageous quotes from imaginary gay rights advocates to oversimplify and skew the context to portray a vast number of people in a negative light rather than to actually resolve his points of difference with real people of unique and complex opinions and arguments. Those against gay rights aren't necessarily zen as can be either, and I resent that they should be represented as being so much more level-headed than their opponents. Point taken and I agree. But still, you don't think "you're ignorant and/or close minded" is a common response to "I don't believe gay marriage/homosexuality is moral."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Being common doesn't even make it wrong, though. It's as common as fighting appeal to authority of the many with "if everyone else was jumping off a bridge, would you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Being common doesn't even make it wrong, though. It's as common as fighting appeal to authority of the many with "if everyone else was jumping off a bridge, would you?" I might jump off but It wouldn't be because everyone else was doing it. As for the OP, I'm not really a news person so I have no idea what is going on exactly. (aside from what I'v read in the posts here anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You clearly don't understand that the premise that is being judged is why the person is jumping off the bridge. It means to say don't jump off the bridge because everybody else is doing it. It's a common retort to appeal to authority. I sincerely would not have expected you to understand it from appearance alone, though.... Do you understand the purpose? Don't do something because everybody else is doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 You clearly don't understand that the premise that is being judged is why the person is jumping off the bridge. It means to say don't jump off the bridge because everybody else is doing it. It's a common retort to appeal to authority. I sincerely would not have expected you to understand it from appearance alone, though.... Do you understand the purpose? Don't do something because everybody else is doing it. I know which is why said but not because everyone else was doing it. That doesn't mean there isn't the chance of me jumping off the bridge for my own reasons. Which would make it seem as if I was joining in from anyone's point of view if they didn't know me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourmaline Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 But the point is that you are doing it because everybody else is. It is implied that I am referring to the virtue of following the crowd. If the question was why you were jumping off the bridge and not that following others was wrong, I would ask why you were jumping off the bridge and would never even have to mention what I did earlier to fight the common appeal. I think it is already known that I have a bit of a socially progressive view. I am pansexual, so fighting homosexuality would not work in my favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 [quote] Point taken and I agree. But still, you don't think "you're ignorant and/or close minded" is a common response to "I don't believe gay marriage/homosexuality is moral."? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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