Going against authority

[Nathanael D. Striker]

This is something that has been on my mind through out the day. When is it a good time to go against authority? What should it look like? How should it be done? What things should be considered before someone goes against authority? Are there good ways and bad ways going against authority can be done? So YCM, what do you think on this issue?

[Marisa Kirisame-ze]

Yes, go against authority. But do it with logic fused with passion. Be smart about it, is all.

 

Because personally, to me, you have to question everything. Challenge everything.

 

You, too, can enforce what you want. You, too, can change the way things are.

 

So fight authority when they're being unreasonable. When they're being stubborn. When they're abusing their "authority."

 

And especially, when things need to move along. Authority members are usually stuck. Get them going. 

[Tentacruel]

There's a time for it, but there's also a time to keep your mouth shut.

 

Look at Batman.  He was the hero that Gotham deserved, but not the one it needed.  It was not the time to rebel against authority, but to let the law operate as it needed. 

 

Don't be like Light Yagami, be like Batman. 

[Sora1499]

Well obviously we just play a card game with them to solve the problem.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Going against anyone is going against authority. To respect others as human beings is to respect their authority that is inherent in being human.

[Sora1499]

[quote name="THIS IS THE POLARIS" post="6266119" timestamp="1378006492"]Going against anyone is going against authority. To respect others as human beings is to respect their authority that is inherent in being human.[/quote] Being human isn't an "authority". Just because someone is human doesn't mean they have dominion over you :T Humans aren't born as rulers nor as subjects, it's just that a given person will have a greater tendency to fall into one category than the other. So it's not like they ever had any power over you in the first place, it's just that you think they do, so, to you at least, they might as well. If for some reason everyone in North Korea said "Fuck Kim Jong Il" and turned on him, he wouldn't stand a chance. Rulers only have power over subjects vicariously: by making their subjects think that the rulers have power over them, when the reality is that all humans are psycho-chemically equal.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

[quote]

Humans aren't born as rulers nor as subjects, it's just that a given person will have a greater tendency to fall into one category than the other.[/quote]

 

The authority of a human being is multi-faceted and is not determined by whether they happen to fall into one of two categories. Any given person has authority over any given other in various ways because they have things that the other lacks. This is the case regardless of whether the other respects these points of superiority and submits to them or not.

 

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If for some reason everyone in North Korea said "f*** Kim Jong Il" and turned on him, he wouldn't stand a chance.[/quote]

 

Kim Jong-il is dead...

 

lol

[L0SS]

Authority isn't inherent. It is gained. When you feel that someone has a superior knowledge or skill in a certain area, you may allow that person to have an authority over you in that area. To go against them in that instance would be illogical, simply because you have established that they are superior to you in that particular area. That makes sense. However, people who have an authority in a certain area sometimes feel that this entitles them to assume authority in areas that they are not necessarily more capable in than yourself. In those circumstances, going against authority may be wise. 

 

It's pretty hard to judge when and where to go against authority, as there are so many factors involved. But generally speaking if you feel that you are in the absolute majority, it may be worth it.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

It is my understanding, Plainview, that you believe it to only be wrong for someone to assume authority over another in areas in which they're less capable, right? Because if you can agree to that, then it follows that we can agree that it is acceptable for someone to assume authority over another in areas in which they are in fact more capable. If all that follows, then one can assume authority over everyone else in the area of being the unique individual that they are. So can everyone else, as they too are unique individuals in their own specific way. Everyone is a specialist at being themself and living their own life. In this sense, authority is inherent.

[Kyng's Old Account]

When is it a good time to go against authority?

When you believe change is needed, and can foresee a good chance of this change succeeding against authority.

 

What should it look like?

Depends on the context. Could be an individual stance against a parent, could be a student union against a teacher. It depends on how you want it to look like.

 

How should it be done?

Again, depends on the context. Could be peaceful, might not be. It depends on how you feel it should be done.

 

What things should be considered before someone goes against authority?

If you can do it and win, and if the ends justify the means.

 

Are there good ways and bad ways going against authority can be done?

The only bad way I can see is losing to said authority in the progress.

 

So YCM, what do you think on this issue?

If you're gonna do it, then go nuts. Just leave me, and other uninterested parties, out of it.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I HATE YCMAKER AND ALL THE MODS ON THIS FORUM AND THEY DESERVE TO DIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah I went against authority.

 

Well, from my past experience I can only say that if you think a leader sucks, and you think you can do better, chances are you can't.  People who have authority (at least, usually) have a valid logical reason for their ranks, and the skills required to stay in that position are tougher than you think.