Gishki Aquamirror

[Strider Tigerwolf]

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This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Gishki" Ritual Monster. You must also Tribute monsters from the field or your hand whose total Levels equal the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon. You can shuffle this card from the Graveyard into the Deck to target 1 "Gishki" Ritual Monster in your Graveyard; return that target to your hand.

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I've been play testing Gishkies in Nexus Format, and I dare say this is a Game Breaking card, even @1. The way it can be recycled, searched, used and abused is just absurd...and it being at 3 in the norm is still a no even if they aren't doing anything. So, discuss.

[Aerion Brightflame]

One card. So many different degenerate combo's that spawn from it.

 

Well it and the archetype really. I'd love to see it go to 0, because it really shouldn't be a thing. Costless self recycling at a +1 in a deck type with a salvage-able searcher/tribute fufiller for it doesn't sound good any way you put it.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

The cost just hurts soooooo much. I mean, it's not like they have 15 searchers in their deck or anything!

[Strider Tigerwolf]

Should've been:

 

This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Gishki" Ritual Monster. You must also Tribute monsters from the field or your hand whose total Levels equal the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon. You can shuffle this card from the Graveyard into the Deck to target 1 "Gishki" Ritual Monster in your Graveyard; return that target to your hand. These effects of "Gishki Aquamirror" can only be used each once per turn.

 

At the bare minimum konami should've done that...

[mido9]

yknow for some reason I cant really consider the card itself, in a can, really broken, like, at all.

[Strider Tigerwolf]

yknow for some reason I cant really consider the [card itself], in a can, really broken, like, at all.

That's because by itself it isn't. It's what it does with the other cards it revolves around that makes it stupid...

[玄魔の王]

Badly designed or not, this has become the gold standard in Ritual Spells in that previously vanilla spells now have to do another trick to be worth it. I know 3 others predate it, but notice this one also has more than one monster it can summon. (Yeah, like anybody missed that...)

[Lonk]

It truly is the gold standard in Ritual Spells.  People complain that Rituals are too weak because the advantage lost and specificality are not worth the effort of the ritual summon.  Then, this card is made and now people complain about how this card is broken because it has a powerful recycling tool.  Yet, even with this and searchers up the wazoo, the deck still doesn't make any progress because it is very easy to disrupt its combos.  The Deck is a "win if your opponent has nothing" or "lose if your opponent has something" trade-off, and that's why this card isn't in Konami's radar.  Though Xyz did give the Deck more out-of-context options that abused the potential of the bosses, messing up a key move on their part that they can't mess up kills them indefinitely (which is why this card wouldn't be hit.  It is a stupid reason, but it is the logic that Konami is going by).

[Althemia]

It truly is the gold standard in Ritual Spells.  People complain that Rituals are too weak because the advantage lost and specificality are not worth the effort of the ritual summon.  Then, this card is made and now people complain about how this card is broken because it has a powerful recycling tool.  Yet, even with this and searchers up the wazoo, the deck still doesn't make any progress because it is very easy to disrupt its combos.  The Deck is a "win if your opponent has nothing" or "lose if your opponent has something" trade-off, and that's why this card isn't in Konami's radar.  Though Xyz did give the Deck more out-of-context options that abused the potential of the bosses, messing up a key move on their part that they can't mess up kills them indefinitely (which is why this card wouldn't be hit.  It is a stupid reason, but it is the logic that Konami is going by).

This card was the reason why 2 incredibly degenerate decks were made. (Gishkill and Gustkraken Hieratics.) I don't think that's any form of "golden standard" when honestly this card is to blame as it involves using this card's dumb recycling ability that can be used any amount of times a turn. Honestly Kraken and Augus would probably be perfectly fine if this card was just limited a bit more. It was poorly thought out and was quite obviously not tested well.

That being said, OPT turn on this card's effects or even (This effect of "Gishki Aquamirror" cannot be used during the turn this card is sent to the Graveyard.) like Breakthrough Skill would have made this fine. But nope, Konami's Design department everybody.

[Blake]

This and Gem-Knight fusion are both fucking awful designs that boulder have happened. Having their recycles be OPT would have balanced them, but noooo, let's make an OTK deck and a degenerate ass F/OTK deck.

[Wildflame]

Best Spell Card in the game, alongside Salvage /gishkifag

 

(But yeah, talking objectively, something in the lines of a OPT clause would have been fine to prevent abuse)

[玄魔の王]

Best Spell Card in the game, alongside Salvage /gishkifag

 

(But yeah, talking objectively, something in the lines of a OPT clause would have been fine to prevent abuse)

I'll propose an amendment: best Legal spell card in the game. Otherwise, I agree.

 

This card was the reason why 2 incredibly degenerate decks were made. (Gishkill and Gustkraken Hieratics.) I don't think that's any form of "golden standard" when honestly this card is to blame as it involves using this card's dumb recycling ability that can be used any amount of times a turn. Honestly Kraken and Augus would probably be perfectly fine if this card was just limited a bit more. It was poorly thought out and was quite obviously not tested well.

That's not what "Gold Standard" meant. A gold standard is an item to which all items of a similar design (in this case, Ritual Spells) can be compared, because its relative value is widely documented. Whether the card is broken or not is immaterial to that, the point is every Ritual Spell made from here on out can be compared to this one based on how well it does its job.

[Vylon_Bacon]

I've recently completed my Gishki deck and dueling with 2 aquamirrors are actually pretty good :) I mean like it's good for looping and it's pretty good when you try to get out strong Gishki ritual cards, like Zielgigas. It's good to have it in your gishki deck but not very good news when you are coming up against it. It's really good and I reckon there's nothing wrong with it?

[evilfusion]

Nothing to see here, move along. There aren't any months-old threads returning from the dead, no need to panic. Have a nice holiday!