[ Graverobber ] - Trap card remake

[Baragan]

 

 

2 Level 2 monsters

You can detach 2 Xyz Material: Pick up 1 card from both player's graveyard to your hand. Then discard 1 card and 1 random card from your opponent's hand to the graveyard and draw 1 card. During your End Phase: Send this card to the Extra Deck.

 

[Sander]

Wait, so not to mention that it has easy Graveyard recovery, you can also steal from your opponents Graveyard and make them discard a card? How on earth did you think that this is anywhere near good design? Do you not realize that decks like Frognarchs exists that can push Rank 2's out from their ass consistently? Also, given the fact that this sends the materials back to the Graveyard, you can get out 2-3 copies of it in 1 turn, if able or needed to, and from what, 1-2 Ronintoadin's in the Graveyard?

 

tl;dr: 0% thought on card design was given when making this card.

[Baragan]

In my opinion it is a balanced card.

[Sander]

In my opinion it is a balanced card.

 

You can take your "opinion" card and shove it. It's not balanced and I already explained why. You, on the other hand have not done anything to even remotely explain why you think it's balanced.

[Baragan]

You can detach 2 Xyz (-2)  , so it has no Xyz, pick 1 card from both graveyards (+2), discard 1 card from opponents hand (+1), draw one card (+1), send to extra (+1). All= +3

 

This card makes advantage and it is not op cause you pick up some cards from both graveyards.

Course you can Summon 2 or more in 1 turn. And i would limit it to 1 in your extra deck. so it is NOT op. 

[Sander]

Course you can Summon 2 or more in 1 turn. And i would limit it to 1 in your extra deck. so it is NOT op. 

 

Do you think Monster Reborn is also "NOT op" since it's limited to 1? Probably you do, given what you told you would do with this card to "balance" it. No, restricting it to 1 does not balance it, at all. A broken card is broken whether it's limited / semi-limited or unlimited (except a few cases where hitting a card to 1 would make it unplayable, but that's a different story). 

 

Also, the recycles itself in the End Phase, so you do not have to fear of it being sent to the Graveyard, so people can just as well get this out, do some other shenanigans, then move to the End Phase to return this to the Extra deck and repeat it all over again in your next turn.

 

tl;dr: Card is broken and you're an idiot for thinking otherwise when you were proven to be wrong.

[Baragan]

The opponent can still destroy it, or vailer it or skill drain it! think about that! Well, i think konami is a little bit pussy, cause they ban cards that shouldnt be banned, like stratos.

[Sander]

The opponent can still destroy it, or vailer it or skill drain it! think about that! Well, i think konami is a little bit pussy, cause they ban cards that shouldnt be banned, like stratos.

 

Just because an effect can be countered with cards like Effect Veiler or Skill Drain does not make a broken card balanced. Seriously, all these arguments that you're presenting, I've heard them all. I can dismiss any argument that you will post, so just do us all a favor and admit that you're mistaken.

 

Well, i think konami is a little bit pussy, cause they ban cards that shouldnt be banned, like stratos.

 

They hit Stratos because they moved E - Emergency Call and A Hero Lives (TCG only) and Destiny HERO - Malicious back to 3. Not the best option, sure, but it was either Stratos or something else, and they chose Stratos.

[TheKaitoKid]

You can detach 2 Xyz (-2)  , so it has no Xyz, pick 1 card from both graveyards (+2), discard 1 card from opponents hand (+1), draw one card (+1), send to extra (+1). All= +3

 

This card makes advantage and it is not op cause you pick up some cards from both graveyards.

Course you can Summon 2 or more in 1 turn. And i would limit it to 1 in your extra deck. so it is NOT op. 

That's not how advantage theory works. 

Summoning it normally is a -1 (you used 2 monsters and end up with 1), detaching doesn't lose you any advantage cause you have the same number of cards as your did before paying the cost (1). You add 1 card from either Graveyard and that brings you to neutral advantage (you gain 1 card after losing 1), then you discard from your opponent's hand, (+1) then draw (+1). Then the card shuffles itself back into the Extra Deck with is technically a -1 since you have one less card on the board. So let's do the math:

-1+1+1+1-1 = +1 total. Not 3. 

 

Panda, as abrasive as he may have been, is entirely correct in saying that this is poorly designed. It adds any card from either Graveyard to your hand for no cost. Then, on top of that you discard from your opponent's hand AND draw? No. The original Graverobber, bad as it was, was WAY better designed that this. Nobody wants you to feel bad, it's just that this card is terrible design and you can't seem to understand that.

[Baragan]

I dont mistaken. A card should make a pleayer advantage! and not disadvantage! and a card that is too balanced out would be never used!! and does only disadvantage! I think you dont really understand it.

[Sander]

I dont mistaken. A card should make a pleayer advantage! and not disadvantage! and a card that is too balanced out would be never used!! and does only disadvantage! I think you dont really understand it.

 

A card should give a player advantage, sure, but it doesn't need to be broken to do so. What you fail to understand is that a card can be both advantageous and balanced at the same time, and this card isn't the latter., so stop being so stubborn and think about what we're trying to portray to you.

[DisturbedNeo]

Quote from the Yugioh Wiki for Graverobber's effect:

 

"Select 1 Spell Card from your opponent's Graveyard. You can use it as your hand until the end of the turn. If you use it, you take 2000 points of damage."

 

Your effect:

 

"You can detach 2 Xyz Material: Pick up 1 card from both player's graveyard to your hand. Then discard 1 card and 1 random card from your opponent's hand to the graveyard and draw 1 card. During your End Phase: Send this card to the Extra Deck."

 

This is not a remake of the Graverobber trap.

[Sander]

This is not a remake of the Graverobber trap.

 

It doesn't have to be a complete copy of the original for this card to be called a "remake". It's obvious what the OP wanted to do, so think before posting.

[Bombmaster2001]

Personally, I don't get why some of you guys are being such jerks to Baragan. He was just trying to re-invent a card to be more modern. I think it's a good card, and though it could be nerfed a bit, it doesn't deserve all the hate you guys are giving out.

 

[Trebuchet MS]

Since when was being able to use any of your opponent's resources with additional advantage(s) on top (i.e. you recycle your own card, while your opponent discards a card) ever a good idea? Reusing your own resources without limit, particularly if it could recover a gamebreaking Normal Spell, is already a big enough issue. The fact that this card returns itself to the Extra Deck makes it worse, because this is far from a drawback - it just encourages the player to reuse it.
 

And, no, listing its counters will never justify the OPness of a card. You can't expect the opponent to have counters ready at every single opportunity, and you just need to use its effect once to give yourself a very silly advantage.

[Sander]

Personally, I don't get why some of you guys are being such jerks to Baragan. He was just trying to re-invent a card to be more modern. I think it's a good card, and though it could be nerfed a bit, it doesn't deserve all the hate you guys are giving out.

 

The only "hate" in this thread was me calling Baragan an idiot, which was justified, since he could not grasp why his card is broken when it was explained countless of times. All of the rest was us reviewing his card. Nothing more, nothing less.