YumeAkko Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Okay, just out of curiosity, if Konami decided to release Bakura's Diabound Kernal but made it a Level 4 instead of Level 5 and still kept the same effect as the anime version had, would any of you run it in any sort of deck? If yes, would it be a casual play deck or part of a competitive deck? Effect: Once per turn, you can equip this card to a face-up monster your opponent controls, OR unequip it to Special Summon this card. The equipped monster loses ATK equal to this card's original ATK. If the equipped monster is destroyed by battle, Special Summon this card. If this card destroys an opponent's monster by battle, it also gains that monster's effect(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I think I could see people using this card in competitive play since it can lower any monster's ATK by 1800 which might be a bit overpowered, especially since it can Special Summon itself back onto the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 This effect looks kinda familiar... Oh. Of course. What piques my curiosity is the part where it gains other monsters' effects. What happens to those effects once it pseudo-Unions? Will they stay on the monster, or stop applying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 This effect looks kinda familiar...Oh. Of course. What piques my curiosity is the part where it gains other monsters' effects. What happens to those effects once it pseudo-Unions? Will they stay on the monster, or stop applying? I completely forgot about Handcuffs Dragon (although it's a watered down version of Diabound). Anyway, I would assume that the effects gained would stop once it equips and unequips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 How on Earth does that link work? When this card becomes an Equip it loses its absorbed monster effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 First of all, the card's name should be in the title. Secondly, this thing is really neat in how it works. Shme its only use is in a painfully confusing combo with Spirit Illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Not underwhelming nor unbalanced. Very few anime-only cards are like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matches Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I don't think you need Spirit Illusion. This card can work fine without it. Just slap 2 of him out and you're ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 I don't think you need Spirit Illusion. This card can work fine without it. Just slap 2 of him out and you're ready to go. I don't think he needs it, my real point was the combo depicted in the anime was very confusing because it wasn't clear what was doing what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Strawberry Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 I don't think he needs it, my real point was the combo depicted in the anime was very confusing because it wasn't clear what was doing what. Didn't Spirit Illusion just create a doppelganger of Diabound Kernel with the same effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Didn't Spirit Illusion just create a doppelganger of Diabound Kernel with the same effects? It does, but after that Bakura doesn't differentiate between the duplicate and the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 With the dub Bakura mentions the Trap has the equip ability, not the actual Monster itself. (But that may be different in the Japanese though) Also this card's effect is more like this: "When this Monster destroys a Monster in Battle: This Monster gains the ATK and Effects of the destroyed Monster" That was why it was a LV5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Strawberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 With the dub Bakura mentions the Trap has the equip ability, not the actual Monster itself. (But that may be different in the Japanese though) Also this card's effect is more like this: "When this Monster destroys a Monster in Battle: This Monster gains the ATK and Effects of the destroyed Monster" That was why it was a LV5. If it had the equip ability, why wouldn't it have the other ability? (I can't remember if I'm basing my argument from the dub or sub, since I've seen both.) PSCT didn't exist back then. This is the same as the text written on the card in the anime from what I can gather. Level 5 may have suited it before but with the way Yu-Gi-Oh is now, Level 4 is a better choice for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The Japanese version shows Spirit Illusion to be an Equip Spell, and it generates a Token. Said Token includes the effects of the original monster. See the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Strawberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The Japanese version shows Spirit Illusion to be an Equip Spell, and it generates a Token. Said Token includes the effects of the original monster. See the problem? Yes, however you have to remember that the original Yu-Gi-Oh didn't always follow the rules of the game properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Actually that has more to do with the idea that in Battle City (it was clarified in the Japanese) you could activate any in any turn if the Spell Card was set during your turn. But yes, the Trap has an equip effect, the Monster doesn't actually have that effect. The Monster gains the ATK and effects of all Monsters it destroys which makes it a very dangerous Monster, even as a Level 5. Sure you can't just drop it to the Field, but it basically can in a few attacks become the strongest card in play and have a ton of effects. (Of course those change when the card is removed from the Field) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Strawberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The Monster gains the ATK and effects of all Monsters it destroys which makes it a very dangerous Monster, even as a Level 5. Sure you can't just drop it to the Field, but it basically can in a few attacks become the strongest card in play and have a ton of effects. (Of course those change when the card is removed from the Field) Isn't it also changed when the card equips to another monster? Meaning that it loses whatever it has gained? (And seriously, what kind of duelist can't handle an 1800 ATK point monster, that is essentially Handcuffs Dragon but has just one small additional effect on top?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Isn't it also changed when the card equips to another monster? Meaning that it loses whatever it has gained? (And seriously, what kind of duelist can't handle an 1800 ATK point monster, that is essentially Handcuffs Dragon but has just one small additional effect on top?) No the Original Monster didnt equip. The Trap card did. It made a Clone that equips to a Monster, and drain its ATK by the ATK of the cloned Monster. Okay so how will you deal with this card after it destroys a few monsters and has 5000+ ATK and can wipe out S/T's too? (You can make a deck around this card and basically make it that this card can wipe out any Monster and then have S/T's that can stop any effects to stop Diabound) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Strawberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 No the Original Monster didnt equip. The Trap card did. It made a Clone that equips to a Monster, and drain its ATK by the ATK of the cloned Monster. Okay so how will you deal with this card after it destroys a few monsters and has 5000+ ATK and can wipe out S/T's too? (You can make a deck around this card and basically make it that this card can wipe out any Monster and then have S/T's that can stop any effects to stop Diabound) That literally makes no sense. You sir, are anal retentive. Did you even read the actual card's effect on Yu-Gi-Oh wikia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 That literally makes no sense. You sir, are anal retentive. Did you even read the actual card's effect on Yu-Gi-Oh wikia/and the actual translated manga version? There is no manga version, the entire duel in which this thing appears was anime-only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Strawberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 [quote name="幻魔の王" post="6305622" timestamp="1384460698"] There is no manga version, the entire duel in which this thing appears was anime-only.[/quote] My bad. I just noticed my mistake. I actually meant the Japanese sub. Not sure why I said manga. Thanks for pointing it out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The Japanese version says the Trap Equips not the Monster. Also Yugioh Wikia can be edited by anyone. So it's quite possible that's not what the actual effect is. I also am basing on the Japanese anime as I watched the episode. That's the explaination from the episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 The Japanese version says the Trap Equips not the Monster. Also Yugioh Wikia can be edited by anyone. So it's quite possible that's not what the actual effect is. I also am basing on the Japanese anime as I watched the episode. That's the explaination from the episode. Now let's see... I can trust a subber who may or may not know what he's on about... Or I can trust the wikia which is headed by one of the memvers of the Organization and is actually monitored a good bit to keep as much correct info as possible... Hard choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Now let's see... I can trust a subber who may or may not know what he's on about... Or I can trust the wikia which is headed by one of the memvers of the Organization and is actually monitored a good bit to keep as much correct info as possible... Hard choice. Considering he keeps saying "Trap" when Spirit Illusion is clearly an Equip Spell, as simply LOOKING at the card will tell you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMegamanlan Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I'm saying Trap for the people who only saw the Dub not the Sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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