goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Normal Trap Activate only when an opponent's monster declares an attack while you control a face-up "Blackwing" monster. Remove from play all Attack Position monsters your opponent controls. Needs a nerf. Confirmed for DOL Discuss? Black Sonic, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Uh Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah, needs a nerf. It`s laughable how easy it is to be able to summon any blackwing for this card`s condition. also +1 for shadow the hedgehog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I thought this was a thread for a shitty card made based of a shitty ripoff of Shadow. Anyway, the card is broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I agree it needs to be nerfed but tbh (and this is coming from someone who has never played nor liked BWs) they need the support if they are ever going to top any major events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I was also thinking along the lines of "the need support" Getting their own D Prison with a condition seems a bit weak, but banishing up to two seems a bit too strong. Thinking of better ways to nerf this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I was also thinking along the lines of "the need support" Getting their own D Prison with a condition seems a bit weak, but banishing up to two seems a bit too strong. Thinking of better ways to nerf this..... Maybe make it so you can only have either: -one blackwing on your side of the field -all blackwings in defense position because if you tweak the mass banish it becomes either a weaker MForce or a weaker DPrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Maybe banish up the the number of Blackwings you have? Still seems like a bit much. Or they add a way to damage the user for that off chance that they run Black-Winged Dragon. =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Maybe banish up the the number of Blackwings you have? Still seems like a bit much. Or they add a way to damage the user for that off chance that they run Black-Winged Dragon. =D lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 My last idea for the card.....they heavily nerf it to just one monster being banished. I would be lame ish. Now if they made it to where it didn't target it could be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 My last idea for the card.....they heavily nerf it to just one monster being banished. I would be lame ish. Now if they made it to where it didn't target it could be better. this although it would be a worse dpris, the non target would be neato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Idk if this needs a nerf, like banishing is cool but this is just a mirror force that needs you to have a faceup bwing and atm a lot of decks will be able to get rid of your bwings. and like mirror force would still probably be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...Dashie Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I thought this was a thread for a shitty card made based of a shitty ripoff of Shadow. This lol. Anyways, the card itself doesn't seem that hard to play around, although you'll usually have to subsequently play as if Icarus isn't a thing. Possibly just putting a monster on the board that isn't expendable and attacking their BW (forcing them to play the Black Sanic unless they have another BW in hand to counterpush) seems like a pretty ok way of forcing this or playing around it, similar to just summoning one monster and attacking to play around Icarus.Can we please change the title to "BLACK SANIC" or "SHADO HEGEHOG" and put this in the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 How is this broken in the slightest? You act like getting a Blackwing on the field and keeping it there is easy, it's a horrendous dead draw a lot of the time and a lot of the time you will need to pull back games where you don't get access to Blackwings fast and you don't want another dead draw. I'd still play Mirror Force/Prison over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 How is this broken in the slightest? You act like getting a Blackwing on the field and keeping it there is easy, it's a horrendous dead draw a lot of the time and a lot of the time you will need to pull back games where you don't get access to Blackwings fast and you don't want another dead draw. I'd still play Mirror Force/Prison over it. Most people do not use spot removal on small Blackwings unless they're 100% sure you have Kalut. Blackwings have two "I need a monster now": Zephyros and Vayu. Mirror Force is way more reliable, but do not underestimate a mass-removal card that does not target or destroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Most people do not use spot removal on small Blackwings unless they're 100% sure you have Kalut. Blackwings have two "I need a monster now": Zephyros and Vayu. Mirror Force is way more reliable, but do not underestimate a mass-removal card that does not target or destroy. why not use spot removal on them? Every deck that has it would definately would try to get rid of your bwings because of icarus and kalut, and mirror force is generic so its much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Does anyone honestly find it silly how Blackwings have their own Mirror Force? I mean, it's not like they have a searchable Honest that also triggers Shura, and nets them even more plays- Oh... right.That aside, though, I wouldn't doubt it if this was printed as-is, since, you know, we gotta' try and push an Archetype just cuz' it gains a broken card. But it's also rather amusing at the same time, since, if you think about it, Mirror Force going to 2 was a sign that the Battle Phase lost value, so it was apparently "ok" to move that up in a number. Then again, considering This card Banishes, it would probably warrant list attention right away.ALTHOUGH, it would ultimately come down to how efficient it is, with regards to how much of an impact it leaves on the game. Then again, we have Prison at 2.....Or something like that. I dunno', I'm unintentionally rambling on this issue.Can we please change the title to "BLACK SANIC" or "SHADO HEGEHOG" and put this in the OPFixed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 It's a Blackwing's Mirror Force that BANISHES without destroying. This card is super good unnerfed. Blackwings already have a lot of threatening backrow cards like Icarus Attack, Delta Crow (kind of), etc. They don't even need to be attacking the Blackwing. It wouldn't necessarily be "broke", but why give something like this to Blackwings, which used to be a super-unfair Deck? It definitely needs some kind of nerf, because giving archetype-specific cards of this quality to a spam Deck is dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 why not use spot removal on them? because of icarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 How is this broken in the slightest? You act like getting a Blackwing on the field and keeping it there is easy, it's a horrendous dead draw a lot of the time and a lot of the time you will need to pull back games where you don't get access to Blackwings fast and you don't want another dead draw. I'd still play Mirror Force/Prison over it. This may be slightly true but how hard is it to Call of the Haunted? Granted they have no effect protection, but still. Although Pinpoint Guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 This may be slightly true but how hard is it to Call of the Haunted? Granted they have no effect protection, but still. Although Pinpoint Guard Why would you play a mediocre card just to use an Archetype-specific slightly better Mirror Force when you could just play Mirror Force and it be usable much more of the time? Mirror Force/DP Are Still better than this IMO. Blackwings have a lack of good monsters/sit-on-ability, though if Kris gets released then this card will indeed be insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Why would you play a mediocre card just to use an Archetype-specific slightly better Mirror Force when you could just play Mirror Force and it be usable much more of the time? Mirror Force/DP Are Still better than this IMO. Blackwings have a lack of good monsters/sit-on-ability, though if Kris gets released then this card will indeed be insane. It is conditional, I never said that. And CoTH is not mediocre...it may be kinda off in BW though, it might. Pinpoint was kind of a joke, but also trying to show ways they can stay on the field. And it is infinitely better in effect than Mirror Force. Banishing 1+ monsters alone is not easy to recover from, and Des.Protection is easy to fight. At the moment, yes, I would say Mirror Force is better for not having the condition. Just that the condition is not too hard to meet. I would tech 1 if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 ITs not that bad. Remember Backflash? Banish your opponents field if you have 5 Blackwings in your graveyard. Counter Trap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 ITs not that bad. Remember Backflash? Banish your opponents field if you have 5 Blackwings in your graveyard. Counter Trap why would we remember that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 why would we remember that? Because it blows this card out of the water? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Because it blows this card out of the water? lol wut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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