Morphing Jar #2

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

EDIT: You don't end up gaining plusses from having the same number of monsters on the field.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

You can't plus off of Morphing Jar 2 unless the opponent is controlling extra deck cards... otherwise it's a +0 at its absolute best. Are you reading Cyber Jar or something?

I guess I'm mis-understanding plus in this case.

 

It swaps itself out (if manual) and gives you another flip effect that is beneficial to you. Assuming you are playing it in the right deck.

 

Yeah I mean it sets up your next big play/OTK or whatever while putting the opponent in an increasingly bad situation.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Let me correct myself. There are other circumstances where it can plus, such as if your opponent draws monsters above level 4/can't be SS'd. Still, the card is slow, and YOU don't actually plus off of your own field. You break even on your own cards. Also, even if you're running flip effect cards they likely would have been destroyed already if they were flipped. If not, whoopdee doo? You seem to be mad about decks that are very slow for some reason, to be upset by flip effect monsters coming off of this guy.

[goddamnit names are a pain]

Let me correct myself. There are other circumstances where it can plus, such as if your opponent draws monsters above level 4/can't be SS'd. Still, the card is slow, and YOU don't actually plus off of your own field. You break even on your own cards. Also, even if you're running flip effect cards they likely would have been destroyed already if they were flipped. If not, whoopdee doo? You seem to be mad about decks that are very slow for some reason, to be upset by flip effect monsters coming off of this guy.

I'm annoyed because slow=/= fair

It is just a really trolly card. The more of those that get banned the better.

It's just not good for the game when it does go off. Like a lot of cards.

[Zauls]

OK so I know why this card was banned guys so you can stop arguing.

 

Artifacts play generally 1 Level 4 or lower monster that can be Special Summoned (Honest). Against pure Artifact builds flipping this when they have 2 monsters will generally cause them to deck out and lose. 

Jackpot 7 has little to do with it.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

OK so I know why this card was banned guys so you can stop arguing.

 

Artifacts play generally 1 Level 4 or lower monster that can be Special Summoned (Honest). Against pure Artifact builds flipping this when they have 2 monsters will generally cause them to deck out and lose. 

Jackpot 7 has little to do with it.

You can't auto-lose by Morphing Jar 2's effect, for one. 2. There's no guarantee where Honest will be in the deck. It could be the top card, or it could be the bottom or anywhere in between. 3, it doesn't excavate until you get level 4's, only  until you have the same number of monsters.

[Neochu-H]

Artifacts play generally 1 Level 4 or lower monster that can be Special Summoned (Honest).

 

 

uh i don't know about you but i would never run honest in artifacts, i only run things that can summon more artifacts.

[Zauls]

Oh never mind I misread the card. It would still be an inconvenience for Artifact players to have their field wiped and get a lot of their important cards milled, but still not a reason to ban it.

[Neutrality Man]

OK so I know why this card was banned guys so you can stop arguing.

 

Artifacts play generally 1 Level 4 or lower monster that can be Special Summoned (Honest). Against pure Artifact builds flipping this when they have 2 monsters will generally cause them to deck out and lose. 

Jackpot 7 has little to do with it.

It stops at monster number [how many entered your Main Deck here]. Level is irrelevant for the depth of the dig.

[Trebuchet MS]

I start to get annoyed when the opponent PLUSSES after throwing away my stuff. That's awful designing.

So any form of 1-for-1 removal, which becomes an indirect plus when it hits a monster that requires investment, is awful design?