Sneak peek "Eruden" archtype: What do you think about the concept?

[spelwarrior191]

With this forum topic I want to show you all one of my archtypes called "Eruden".

The idea behind the archtype is using "Flip summon" (pseudo flip effect's and flip effects) combined with synchro summon.

I am aware that synchro need face-up to synchro summon. More comming "soon"!

I've changed and changed to much, that's why I've made this topic to ask some feedback.

Eruden comes from ERUBUS and DEN. I was searching "cooler" words for underground and cave until i stumbled upon these words and combined them.

 

Edited 19/07/2014 1/20: Eruden Diamond Scale

Level: 10

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: synchro

Abilities: effect

Attack 1400 Defence 4000

Effect:

1 "Eruden tuner monster" + 1 or more " Eruden monster(s)"
When this card is special summoned, change it facedown. This card cannot be special summoned face-up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. When this card is flip summoned succesfully,  immediately switch it's ATK and DEF and if you do you this card gain's this effect: Once per turn you can change this card face-down. Until the end of your next turn this card is flip summoned succesfully this cannot be destroyed by card effect(s).

 

Added 6/07/2014 2/20 Guarded cave

Primary type: Spell

Abilities: Field

Effect:

Once per turn during your main phase when you have a face-up "Eruden" monster on your side of the field, special summon 1 "Eruden" monster from your hand. Once per duel, pay half your lifepoints, reveal 5 "Eruden" monsters from your graveyard, then select 3 lv 4 or lower "Eruden" monsters, special summon them on your side of the field.

 

Edited 8/07/2014 3/20 Eruden Gold

Level: 4

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: effect

Abilities: effect

Attack 1800 Defence 400

Effect:

When there is no "Guarded cave" face up on the field this face-up card is immediatelly destroyed and sent to the graveyard. When this card is flip summoned destroy 1 monster card on your opponents side of the field.

 

Edited 8/07/2014 4/20 Erudus the Eruden Broodmother

Level: 8

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: effect

Abilities: effect nomi

Attack 2100 Defence 2950

Effect:

This card cannot be normal summoned or set. This card cannot be special summoned except by the tributing of 2 "Eruden" monsters. If there is no other "Eruden" monster on your side of the field this card cannot attack.  Once per turn you can special summon 1 "Eruden egg" from your hand or deck to your side of the field. As long as this card remains face-up on the field no Face-up "Eruden egg" or "Eruden hatchling" cannot be targeted by battle.

 

Added 8/07/2014: 5/20 Eruden Egg

Level: 1

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: effect

Abilities: effect

Attack 0 Defence 100

Effect:

You can tribute this card to special summon from your hand or deck 1 "Eruden" monster  except "Eruden Egg" and "Eruden Hatchling". The cards summoned by this effect cannot attack on the turn that they where summoned.

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

It's impossible to judge the entire archetype completely since you're posting only one card how fast or slow the archetype will be, especially if it's one of the bosses. Right now, since it is Level 12, I'm presuming that you will normally have to use more than two monsters to Synchro Summon this card. Overall, the entire play to get this card out would require at least three monsters since the Tuner has to be a Synchro Monster. Therefore, at the very least, you could Synchro Summon this with the Synchro Tuner and one other monster whose total Levels add up to 12, but again, it's somewhat implied that it's going to take more effort than that.

 

Now, onto the effect. It can't attack during the turn that it is Summoned since it immediately flips itself facedown. Then, it can't even be revived by CotH, and I am completely unaware of how many cards you plan to have this card revived by. There are only two generic cards that could SS this card face-down (IIRC), one of them is a -1 that lets your opponent use their card before you, and the other has a hefty Life Point cost. Considering the amount of effort you presumably need to put into this card, the slowness of not letting it attack on the turn that it is Summoned hurts the card's playability lots.

 

Right now, this card is best compared to the Level 8 semi-generic Synchro Monster Beelze of the Diabolic Dragons, who has 3000 ATK and complete immunity to any sort of destruction (as well as a mostly irrelevant ATK-gaining effect). Your monster has 1000 more ATK, sure, but ATK scores above 3000 are usually overkill since there are only a few more monsters that can be destroyed in battle than could be with a monster with 3000 ATK. This extra ATK is basically going to offer you more damage, run over the other 3000 ATK monsters without losing your own monster, and allows you to play cards like Forbidden Lance and Forbidden Dress to further protect your card while still winning battles in practically every case because, again, most monsters don't peak over 3000 ATK.

 

Another major flaw that this card is that its ATK becomes 4000 by a card effect. There are three monster effect negation cards in the game: Effect Veiler, Fiendish Chain, and Breakthrough Skill. Out of the three, Breakthrough Skill is the one being used the most widely at the given moment. Unlike the other two, it can be activated as this monster attacks (well, Fiendish can as well, but it stops the attack), and it effectively makes you attack with a monster that has 1400 ATK (in most cases you're going to lose that battle and your monster that you've put so much effort into). Another weakness that this card has is that its immunity to effect destruction is only temporary, so your opponent can usually take this out as quickly as any other monster as either the immunity has ended or you flipped it face-down (which prevents its effect destruction immunity from working). Being killable is ok, but considering the amount of effort you'll usually put into this card, it would really suck for this card to be taken out so easily since this is a -2 (you lose two cards to get the Synchro Tuner, and then that card along with another one to get this one card - at best) in terms of card advantage.

 

Now for a bit of minor nitpicking. In the card's name, diamond is spelled wrong. Having it spelled incorrectly is ok, but it'd be nice to let us know if you were doing it on purpose. Furthermore, there are two types of instances where a card is flipped from a face-down position to a face-up position. The one you're using is Flip Summon, which is when the controller of the card flips the card up on his/her own will (like setting Man-Eater Bug face-down, and then flipping it up on the next turn). Every time this happens, the card is switched to Attack Position, so you don't need to mention that the card switches itself to Attack Position. The other kind of flipping is by either a card effect or an attack, and can leave the flipped monster in Defense Position. Flip Summons count as this kind of flipping as well. Compare the cards Nightmare Penguin and Guardian Sphinx. If a face-down Guardian Sphinx is attacked, its effect that returns all of your opponent's monsters to the hand does not get to activate. It only activates exclusively when its controller flips it face-up during the Main Phase. On the other hand, Nightmare Penguin still gets to use its effect even if it is attacked while face-down. If you Flip Summon Nightmare Penguin, its effect can activate at that time as well.

 

So, right now, the card you've posted isn't really worth the effort I'm guessing is needed to Summon it, but again, I can't really tell how easy or hard it will be to bring this card out.

[spelwarrior191]

It's impossible to judge the entire archetype completely since you're posting only one card how fast or slow the archetype will be, especially if it's one of the bosses. Right now, since it is Level 12, I'm presuming that you will normally have to use more than two monsters to Synchro Summon this card. Overall, the entire play to get this card out would require at least three monsters since the Tuner has to be a Synchro Monster. Therefore, at the very least, you could Synchro Summon this with the Synchro Tuner and one other monster whose total Levels add up to 12, but again, it's somewhat implied that it's going to take more effort than that.

 

Now, onto the effect. It can't attack during the turn that it is Summoned since it immediately flips itself facedown. Then, it can't even be revived by CotH, and I am completely unaware of how many cards you plan to have this card revived by. There are only two generic cards that could SS this card face-down (IIRC), one of them is a -1 that lets your opponent use their card before you, and the other has a hefty Life Point cost. Considering the amount of effort you presumably need to put into this card, the slowness of not letting it attack on the turn that it is Summoned hurts the card's playability lots.

 

Right now, this card is best compared to the Level 8 semi-generic Synchro Monster Beelze of the Diabolic Dragons, who has 3000 ATK and complete immunity to any sort of destruction (as well as a mostly irrelevant ATK-gaining effect). Your monster has 1000 more ATK, sure, but ATK scores above 3000 are usually overkill since there are only a few more monsters that can be destroyed in battle than could be with a monster with 3000 ATK. This extra ATK is basically going to offer you more damage, run over the other 3000 ATK monsters without losing your own monster, and allows you to play cards like Forbidden Lance and Forbidden Dress to further protect your card while still winning battles in practically every case because, again, most monsters don't peak over 3000 ATK.

 

Another major flaw that this card is that its ATK becomes 4000 by a card effect. There are three monster effect negation cards in the game: Effect Veiler, Fiendish Chain, and Breakthrough Skill. Out of the three, Breakthrough Skill is the one being used the most widely at the given moment. Unlike the other two, it can be activated as this monster attacks (well, Fiendish can as well, but it stops the attack), and it effectively makes you attack with a monster that has 1400 ATK (in most cases you're going to lose that battle and your monster that you've put so much effort into). Another weakness that this card has is that its immunity to effect destruction is only temporary, so your opponent can usually take this out as quickly as any other monster as either the immunity has ended or you flipped it face-down (which prevents its effect destruction immunity from working). Being killable is ok, but considering the amount of effort you'll usually put into this card, it would really suck for this card to be taken out so easily since this is a -2 (you lose two cards to get the Synchro Tuner, and then that card along with another one to get this one card - at best) in terms of card advantage.

 

Now for a bit of minor nitpicking. In the card's name, diamond is spelled wrong. Having it spelled incorrectly is ok, but it'd be nice to let us know if you were doing it on purpose. Furthermore, there are two types of instances where a card is flipped from a face-down position to a face-up position. The one you're using is Flip Summon, which is when the controller of the card flips the card up on his/her own will (like setting Man-Eater Bug face-down, and then flipping it up on the next turn). Every time this happens, the card is switched to Attack Position, so you don't need to mention that the card switches itself to Attack Position. The other kind of flipping is by either a card effect or an attack, and can leave the flipped monster in Defense Position. Flip Summons count as this kind of flipping as well. Compare the cards Nightmare Penguin and Guardian Sphinx. If a face-down Guardian Sphinx is attacked, its effect that returns all of your opponent's monsters to the hand does not get to activate. It only activates exclusively when its controller flips it face-up during the Main Phase. On the other hand, Nightmare Penguin still gets to use its effect even if it is attacked while face-down. If you Flip Summon Nightmare Penguin, its effect can activate at that time as well.

 

So, right now, the card you've posted isn't really worth the effort I'm guessing is needed to Summon it, but again, I can't really tell how easy or hard it will be to bring this card out.

Thank you for your reply.

I've changed minor things (name and regarding the flip summon effect of changing in attack position).

I thought that a temporary immunity would be more balanced because this card has 4000 DEF and

with effect 4000 ATK. I've choosen for 1400 ATK to avoid "Bottemless traphole when this card is summoned.

I also didn't dare to incease it's attack because A: it has a high DEF, B: Most  "Eruden" monsters have a higher DEF than ATK.

As for now it's to early to drastically change "Eruden Diamond Scale's" effect if needed although it seems lv 10 works better.

 

I also added the field spell "Guarded cave", "Eruden Gold" , "Erudus the Eruden Broodmother" and "Eruden Egg.

[spelwarrior191]

Bump

See post #1 for the rest of the card's. I am going to post 5 cards per time making it easier to read for you all.

Added 16/07/2014: "Eruden Granite",  "Roar of the Eruden" and "Conecting Cave System"

 

6/20:

Level: The Luring Dragon Awaits

Primary type: normal trap

Effect:

In your opponents battle phase when a "Eruden" monster is selected as an attack target activate this card. Flip summon 1 "Eruden" monster, it's effect cannot be negated.

 

7/20: Eruden Hatchling

Level: 1

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: effect

Abilities: Tuner

Attack 100 Defence 300

Effect:

This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. When this card is destroyed and send to the graveyard special summon one "Eruden" monster from your deck except "Eruden Hatchling". It cannot attack this turn.

 

8/20 Eruden Coal

Level: 4

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: synchro

Abilities: Tuner

Attack 0 Defence 2000

Effect:

1 tuner+ 1 or more "Eruden" non tuner monsters
This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. Once per turn, if this card is send from your side of the field to graveyard by a card effect your opponent controls, draw a card.

 

Added 16/07/2014

8/20 Roar of the Eruden

Primairy type: Continous trap

Effect:

When a "Eruden" monster is flip summoned, you can activate this effect. Switch the ATK and DEF of the flip summoned "Eruden" monster until the end of the turn.

 

Added 16/07/2014

9/20 Eruden Granite

Level: 4

Attribute: Earth

Type: dragon

Primary monster type: effect

Attack 400 Defence 1800

Effect:

FLIP: When this card is flip summoned no "Eruden" monster can be destroyed by battle until the end of the turn. This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card.

 

Added 16/07/2017

10/20 Conecting cave System

Primary type: Continous Spell

Effect:

(This card is always treated as an "Eruden" card.)
At the end phase of either players turn, when a "Eruden" monster(s) is succesfully flip summoned during the main phase or battle phase target an "Eruden" monster and change it facedown. When this card is destroyed, special summon 1 "Eruden" dragon monster from your deck.

[spelwarrior191]

BUMP

Added to "Eruden Diamon scale"  Until the end of your  next turn to enhance it's  effect. The effect is only active for 2 turn + you need to flip summon succesfully this card which only can happen in your opponent's turn when or He/she  attack's and doesn't activate in response or you flip summon it in your next turn destroying any backrow which is morel likely to happen. I also changed the levels from lv12 to lv10  and changed it to  "Eruden" Tuner in place of "Eruden synchro tuner making the card easier to summon.

 

(See post  post #1 first card)

 

Example 1: normal summon "Eruden Sapphire", special summon "Eruden Emerald" (it's own effect) the special summon "Erubus the Eruden Broodmother", activate it's effect and summon an "Eruden egg". Tribute "Eruden Egg" to special summon either "Eruden Limestone" or "Eruden Amethyst".  lv 2 tuner + lv 8 monster

 

Example 2: Activate "Guarded cave" second effect and  (once per duel) pay half your life points 'reveal' Eruden monsters to special summon 3  "Eruden" monster's which level is 4 or lower (including a tuner offcourse).

2x "lv 4 monster"+ "lv 2 tuner" or 2 "lv 3 monster" +"lv 4 tuner" or 1 "lv 4 monster" + 1 "lv 3 monster + 1 "lv 3 tuner".

 

Any feedback is welcome :). Still 10 cards to go Including Eruden Sapphire, Ruby, Emerald, Limestone, Amethyst.

[spelwarrior191]

I've tryed to balance Eruden monsters so they cannot be manipulated by Dragon Ruler (and other attribute card's )their effects.

 

-Because I've added: "This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card."you can't use Redox Dragon Ruler of Boulder's effect (1) nor Special Summon most "Eruden" monsters with "D.D.R - Different Dimension Reincarnation (2).

-You can still use Redox Dragon Ruler of Boulder's effect to add an EARTH Dragon-Type monster(3).

-Changed  cards 11/20, 12/20, 13/20, 14/20 Attribute from WATER, WIND, FIRE, WATER attribute. to  EARTH. (4)

-Also I've removed "graveyard from their effect to gain an additional attribute (4), Changed the attribute gained from effect to FIRE, WATER, WIND and LIGHT (Originaly EARTH). ALso cards 11/20, 12/20, 13/20, 14/20 where WATER, WIND, FIRE, WATER attribute. before they where Earth attribute. Redox Dragon Ruler of Boulder's can only be used for the synchro summon of "Eruden Diamond Scale" because the other's are lv 7 or lower synchro monster(s). (5)

 

(5) Redox Dragon Ruler of Boulder EARTH Dragon lv7 ATK 1600 DEF 3000 (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Redox,_Dragon_Ruler_of_Boulders)

(2), (4) If this card is in your hand or Graveyard: You can banish a total of 2 EARTH and/or Dragon-Type monsters from your hand and/or Graveyard, except this card; Special Summon this card. During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand.

(1)You can discard this card and 1 EARTH monster to the Graveyard, then target 1 monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon that target. (3)If this card is banished: You can add 1 EARTH Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use 1 "Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders" effect per turn, and only once that turn.

 

11/20 Eruden Amethyst

Level 2

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type Effect

Ability: Tuner

ATK 400 DEF 600

Effect:

This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. Once per turn you can special summon 1 "Eruden" egg token (dragon-type/EARTH/ level 1/ ATK 0 DEF 100) your side of the field. The token cannot be tributed except by a tribute of an "Eruden" monster. This card is also of the LIGHT Attribute while Face-up on the field, hand or in your deck.

 

12/20 Eruden Emerald

Level 3

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type: Effect

Ability: Tuner

ATK 800 DEF 1600

Effect:

This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card.
If you control either an "Eruden Sapphire" or an "Eruden Ruby" on your side of the field, you can Special Summon this card (from your hand). This card is also of the WIND attribute while Face-up on the field, hand or in your deck.

 

13/20 Eruden Ruby

Level 3

Attribute: Earth

Type:Dragon

Primairy monster type: Effect

Ability: Effect

ATK 1450 DEF 0

Effect:

When this card is normal summon search 1 "Eruden" trap card and add it to your hand. This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. This card is also of the FIRE attribute while Face-up on the field, hand or deck.

 

14/20 Eruden Sapphire

Level 3

Earth

Dragon

Primairy monster type: Effect

Ability: Effect

ATK 0 DEF 1450

Effect:

FLIP: When this card is flip summoned "Eruden" monster(s) on the field are unaffected by spell card's until end of turn.
When this card is destroyed by battle search 1 "Eruden" spell card. This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. This card is also of the WATER attribute while Face-up on the field, hand or in your deck.

 

15/20 Eruden Silver

Level 3

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type:Synchro

Ability: Spirit

ATK 500 DEF 900

Effect:

1 "Eruden tuner" monster + 1" Eruden non-tuner" monster
This card cannot be special summoned except by synchro summon. Once per turn when this card is synchro summoned search 1 "Eruden" card from your deck and put it into your hand. The cards used for this synchro summon are put back in to the hand instead of the graveyard. At the end phase return this card to your extra deck.
 

[spelwarrior191]

Added the last 5 Eruden cards, checked the cards a little bit and did some minor editing.

You can find the other 15 cards at post#1, #3, #4, #5.

 

Take your time to read if needed one a quick read over a few cards.

If this topic doesn't get any replies after a week then I consider this topic finished.

 

Tips for making my topic clean and easier to read ar also welcome. I've split the cards in 4 posts because of the large quantity (20 to be precise).

 

16/20 Eruden Limestone

Level: 2

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type: effect

Ability: tuner

ATK 400 DEF 600

Effect:

Once per during either player's turn you can change this card facedown. When this card is flip summoned you can banish this card and another "Eruden" monster(s) on the your side of the field or hand with a level, then synchro summon a synchro monster with levels equal to the total levels of the banished monster(s).

 

17/20 Eruden Ironhide

Level: 6

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type: effect

Ability: synchro

ATK 0 DEF 2500

Effect:

1 tuner + 1 or more non tuner "Eruden" monster
When this card is special summoned you can change this card facedown. This cannot be special summoned by a spell, trap or monster effect face up except by a "Eruden" card. Once per turn this card cannot be destroyed by battle. When this card is flip summoned increase this card def with 1000 until end of the turn.

 

18/20 Eruden Mithril

Level: 5

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type: effect

Ability: synchro

ATK 0 DEF 2200

Effect:

1 "tuner Eruden monster" + non tuner"Eruden" monster
When this card is special summoned change this card facedown. FLIP: send 1 "Eruden" monster from your deck to the gravyard to return 1 "Eruden" monster from your graveyard back to the extra deck or deck except "Eruden silver". This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card.

 

19/20 Eruden Steelarmor

Level: 10

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type: effect

Ability: fusion

ATK 1600 DEF 3500

Effect:

"Eruden Coal" + "Eruden Ironhide"
Must first be Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) by shuffling the above cards you control into the Deck. (You do not use "Polymerization".) This cannot be special summoned by a spell, trap or monster effect face up except by a "Eruden" card. Once per turn this card cannot be targeted. Once during either player's turn you can Switch the ATK and DEF of this card once per turn. When this card leaves the field, either special summon "Eruden Coal" or Eruden Ironhide" facedown on your side of the field.

 

20/20 Eruden Titanium Dweller of the Deep

Level: 7

Attribute: Earth

Type: Dragon

Primairy monster type: effect

Ability: synchro

ATK 0 DEF 3000

Effect:

1 tuner + 1 or more "Eruden" monster(s)
When this card is special summoned change it facedown. This card cannot be special summoned face up by a spell, trap or monster effect except by a "Eruden" card. When this card is flip summoned, you can switch it's atk and def until end of the turn, if you do until the end of this turn that this card is flip summoned negata all trap card effect's on the field. If this card was synchro summoned with a FLIP effect monster, add this additional effect. ● Your opponent can't activate trap cards in response to this card's effect during the turn you flip summon "Eruden Titanium Dweller of the Deep".