non-Effect Fusion?! :O [Crown Birds] [Original Art] [5/7] **NEW!

[Marco Polo]

So yeah, Grezar's template is awesome. http://grezar.deviantart.com/

from the previous single thread:

So there was this card I always liked ever since I played Yugioh Forbidden Memories. that was [spoiler='Blue Winged Crown']http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140109033237/yugioh/images/9/92/BlueWingedCrown-MRD-NA-C-1E.png[/spoiler].
Now, I'm making card art and thought to give this little guy and his Fusion counterpart, Mavelus, some credit.

➀You can return this Normal Summoned card to your hand; Special Summon 1 non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck.
➁During either player's turn: You can discard this card from your hand and target 1 non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monster you control; that monster is unaffected by card effects this turn.


➀You can return this Normal Summoned card to your hand; Special Summon 1 non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck.
➁During either player's turn, if you control a face-up non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monster: You can discard this card from your hand; destroy all monsters on the field.

NEW!

➀You can return this Normal Summoned card to your hand; Special Summon 1 non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck.
➁During either player’s turn, if a card effect(s) is activated while you control a non-Effect Fusion Monster: You can discard this card from your hand; negate all other effects in the chain and destroy those cards.

 

NEW!

➀Cannot be destroyed by card effects.

➁You can return this Normal Summoned card to your hand; Special Summon 2 non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monsters from your Extra Deck.

➂During either player's turn, if you control a non-Effect Winged Beast-Type Fusion Monster: You can discard this card; add 1 FIRE “Crown” monster from your Deck to your hand.

 

1 “Mavelus” + 1 “Crown” Winged Beast-Type Monster
This card is treated as a non-Effect Monster while it is on the field or in the Extra Deck. You can Normal Summon this face-up card to have it become an Effect Monster with the following effects:
➀Non-Effect Fusion Monsters gain 800 ATK.
➁Once per turn: Add 1 “Crown” monster from your Graveyard to your hand, it’s effect cannot be activated this turn.
➂During either player’s turn: Return this card to the Extra Deck; Fusion Summon 1 “Mavelus” from your Extra Deck.

*I shortened on the "you can.." since I had no space in the effect box without hurting quality.


Aeri and Lacrys could work together aswell, with aeri protecting your fusion. :smile:

Araix is basically the emergency case rota and also summons 2 fusions instead of 1. Would become more playable once the spell is out, so watch out ;-)
The Crown birds is an archetype focused at summoning non-effect Fusion Birds to the field, leaving them either potent or protected.
Crimson Sunbird 2300/1900 against windas.
Punished Eagle 2100/1800 ??
Skullbird 1900/1700 ??
Mavelus 1300/900 for self detonation.
three top targets are level 6.
they also get their own special Gemini-like fusion boss that will add lots of point to this whole thing.

Hope you like, (how's the art? :P) leave a comment ;)

[and1dodger]

You drew that? :o very nice^^, wish I can draw like that :c
Summoning crimson sunbird seems like a very fun deck I would play.
Aery and lacrys effect are pretty powerful. Lacry is dark hole during opponents turn and aery makes crimson sunbird into 2300 felgrand. Interested in seeing the rest of archetype.

[Marco Polo]

You drew that? :o very nice^^, wish I can draw like that :c
Summoning crimson sunbird seems like a very fun deck I would play.
Aery and lacrys effect are pretty powerful. Lacry is dark hole during opponents turn and aery makes crimson sunbird into 2300 felgrand. Interested in seeing the rest of archetype.

Thanks!! ^^

Next cards will take some time to make, working on the art now. ;-)

[Dokutah]

the art is amazing (worth of reloading the page like twice or more since my country slightly paranoid goverment restrict internet)

 

and as always... the easiest way to win me is un-orthodox card's (point: the old non-effect fusion support and the on going gemini theme)

 

Aeri: protection effect is nice although un-boosted target is still a sitting duck in most situasion, but at least it secure your winning. it also have solid ATK in case of emergency

 

Lacrys: Great Stat (1900), although personaly... since Raigeki is a thing and is Limited. unless you somehow design this to able to be mixed to together with Fire Kings... you can make it to destroy your opponent only

[Marco Polo]

the art is amazing (worth of reloading the page like twice or more since my slightly paranoid goverment restrict internet)

 

and as always... the easiest way to win me is un-orthodox card's (point: the old non-effect fusion support and the on going gemini theme)

 

Aeri: protection effect is nice although un-boosted target is still a sitting duck in most situasion, but at least it secure your winning. it also have solid ATK in case of emergency

 

Lacrys: Great Stat (1900), although personaly... since Raigeki is a thing and is Limited. unless you somehow design this to able to be mixed to together with Fire Kings... you can make it to destroy your opponent only

Thanks a lot!

Fire kings are too self centered so I wouldn't want the two archetypes working together, I'll definitely change lacrys. The point was that you'd be self-detonating your bird fusion to blow up the field, would tributing it to destroy the opponent's monsters be good enough? (though that means you can't use aeri and lacrys together)

Aeri will become more useful as more cards come up.

Thank you ;-)

[Dokutah]

Thanks a lot!

Fire kings are too self centered so I wouldn't want the two archetypes working together, I'll definitely change lacrys. The point was that you'd be self-detonating your bird fusion to blow up the field, would tributing it to destroy the opponent's monsters be good enough? (though that means you can't use aeri and lacrys together)

Aeri will become more useful as more cards come up.

Thank you ;-)

 

it should be good (since you can't abuse Aeri and Lacrys together to execute OTK) but again your are the maker, is yours to decide the best for your work (and also i happen to be a mediacore player. so im not very good at value true power of cards other than un-orthodox or rule-bypassing plays) but i do interested at gemini flavor you offer...which i can suggest be bold about its effects

[Marco Polo]

it should be good (since you can't abuse Aeri and Lacrys together to execute OTK) but again your are the maker, is yours to decide the best for your work (and also i happen to be a mediacore player. so im not very good at value true power of cards other than un-orthodox or rule-bypassing plays) but i do interested at gemini flavor you offer...which i can suggest be bold about its effects

It's very late now, I've finally published their Fusion crown, named "Lacrymosa" after a chapter in a requiem (classic traditional funeral music, signaling the end)

Since it's late, I still didn't retouch Lacys - will do tommorow!

Next crown will do our fusion more justice, being very relevant.

 

Phew, check it out guys :smile:

[Dokutah]

It's very late now, I've finally published their Fusion crown, named "Lacrymosa" after a chapter in a requiem (classic traditional funeral music, signaling the end)

Since it's late, I still didn't retouch Lacys - will do tommorow!

Next crown will do our fusion more justice, being very relevant.

 

Phew, check it out guys :smile:

Ah sorry~

 

Lacrymosa:

1) cool name

2) cool art

3)Gemini Fusion ?! (**gasm) COOL MAN!!!

4) 1st effect is a good support for non effect fusion this deck utilize, at first i thought it would be nice if it also boost the general geminis (i also surprise that the gemini monster you mention turn out to be gemini fusion -yes for me it worth mention twice LOL) but since most of main deck monster have good amount of stat, there no need to change 

5) (a mediocore player question: can player bypass is activation restriction of the searched card by summoning it and return it to hand by its own effect? which is could be ridiculously good +1 or +2) a swarm support eh? 

6) escaping card effects while maintaining field presence is good. and can be supported again by main deck monster 

7) the stat somehow too low in my opinion even with boost card so far(the biggest would be Fusion Weapon...which is non archetype card, but too situational and hard to retrive). it will get killed fast for just +1 effect wise-only...im not counting the -2 of the summoning (or +2 if the answer of point 5 question is turn out to be bypass-able) 

[Marco Polo]

Ah sorry~

 

Lacrymosa:

1) cool name

2) cool art

3)Gemini Fusion ?! (**gasm) COOL MAN!!!

4) 1st effect is a good support for non effect fusion this deck utilize, at first i thought it would be nice if it also boost the general geminis (i also surprise that the gemini monster you mention turn out to be gemini fusion -yes for me it worth mention twice LOL) but since most of main deck monster have good amount of stat, there no need to change 

5) (a mediocore player question: can player bypass is activation restriction of the searched card by summoning it and return it to hand by its own effect? which is could be ridiculously good +1 or +2) a swarm support eh? 

6) escaping card effects while maintaining field presence is good. and can be supported again by main deck monster 

7) the stat somehow too low in my opinion even with boost card so far(the biggest would be Fusion Weapon...which is non archetype card, but too situational and hard to retrive). it will get killed fast for just +1 effect wise-only...im not counting the -2 of the summoning (or +2 if the answer of point 5 question is turn out to be bypass-able) 

5)You can't do that.. first, that'd need setup since you take your Normal Summon for the gemini fusion to become an effect monster, then - if you still manage to Normal Summon it, you can't return it to the hand because it is said that it's effect cannot be activated this turn.

7)Stats are only symbolic for Queen Bird, it shouldn't really stay on the field for long. also it's not summoned with a -2 since Aeri or Lacrys summon it for just the cost of your normal summon.. (you don't fuse with the fusion materials)

[Dokutah]

7)Stats are only symbolic for Queen Bird, it shouldn't really stay on the field for long. also it's not summoned with a -2 since Aeri or Lacrys summon it for just the cost of your normal summon.. (you don't fuse with the fusion materials)

darn i miss that... okay i guess :)

[Marco Polo]

Added Celestial Crown Ashurai! :-)
CnC?

[razzy]

Double Summon tier 0!

But in all seriousness. Good job overall. I would say add on a "You can only use ___ effect once per turn." clause on the Poly eff of the birds. Otherwise they could be really busted. 

On Lacrymosa's 2nd effect. Normally it is worded slightly different, something like - "You cannot activate that cards effects this turn, or cards that share the same name as that card for the rest of this turn." I don't think that's how it is exactly either but I can't remember at the moment so I'll get back to it later. This just helps solve any confusion/cheating there might be with "But that wasn't the one I added! I already had one in my hand and added a different one!" type stuff.

Another point why not expand on it's last effect a bit. I mean like "Special Summon 1 Winged Beast-Type Normal Fusion monster from your Extra Deck, except "Lacrymosa"." Sure it means Crimson Sunbird will be the only one really used, but if you're wanting to build archetypes (/or\ a certain group of cards) as a whole, that in my opinion matters more than almost anything. Maybe leave its Fusion material as needing "Mavelus" just for flavor reasons. Or change it to "1 Winged Beat-Type Normal Fusion monster + " too.

[Marco Polo]

Double Summon tier 0!
But in all seriousness. Good job overall. I would say add on a "You can only use ___ effect once per turn." clause on the Poly eff of the birds. Otherwise they could be really busted.
On Lacrymosa's 2nd effect. Normally it is worded slightly different, something like - "You cannot activate that cards effects this turn, or cards that share the same name as that card for the rest of this turn." I don't think that's how it is exactly either but I can't remember at the moment so I'll get back to it later. This just helps solve any confusion/cheating there might be with "But that wasn't the one I added! I already had one in my hand and added a different one!" type stuff.
Another point why not expand on it's last effect a bit. I mean like "Special Summon 1 Winged Beast-Type Normal Fusion monster from your Extra Deck, except "Lacrymosa"." Sure it means Crimson Sunbird will be the only one really used, but if you're wanting to build archetypes (/or\ a certain group of cards) as a whole, that in my opinion matters more than almost anything. Maybe leave its Fusion material as needing "Mavelus" just for flavor reasons. Or change it to "1 Winged Beat-Type Normal Fusion monster + " too.

Thanks!!
For lacrymosa's effect:
It's basically the same phrasing except I wrote it in a way where the effect is the subject of the sentence.. that's acceptable in yugioh grammar, (i.e its effect cannot be activated this turn) i believe.. I mainly had to shorten the effect because it became ridiculously small and long.. That's also why I only included 'mavelus' (that and for the flavour & useability reasons you mentioned :)
If you'e got an idea on text shortening, tell me as I've planned to expand the effect aswell /:

Do you have any suggestions for future cards (there's a spell and an empty slot) I thought something that would help against high ATK opponents or non destruction removal (though I kinda feel like not doing removal but rather fortifying the fusions someway) what do you think?

I'm also thinking of adding another fusion, that would serve a different purpose than lacrymosa

[razzy]

I'm also curious how you expect it to really work. I mean the whole returning Lacrymosa (if it's treated as an effect monster), you would have to do it kind of prematurely to help give protection with the Crown monsters. This is just how things work would be something like this

1. Your opponent uses Raigeki
2. You wanting to save your Lacry (I'm going to shorten it to that from now on). Activate it's effect to summon Mavlus. 

At that point since you still control an Effect Fusion monster you can't use your Crown monster and the chain resolves as normal. Lacry would go back to extra deck, summon Mavuls, Raigeki resolves destroying Mavuls. Honestlyy not too sure how to fix this at the moment. 

As for buffing them up why not change Lacry's first effect to include all Winged Beast Fusion monsters (so it still gets the boost after it Gemini summons).

As for Spell/Traps go how about a Continuous or Field something like:

"The Normal summon of "Crown" monsters cannot be negated. When a "Crown" monster you control is destroyed by an opponent's cards (either by battle or card effect) and sent to your Graveyard, you can add 1 Level 4 or lower Winged Beast-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use this effect of ___ once per turn."

And maybe a Trap that negates thing that target them:

"When a "Crown" "Lacrymosa" or Winged Beast-Type Normal monster is targeted by a card or effect: Negate that effect, and if you do, destroy that card. Then all  "Crown" "Lacrymosa" or Winged Beast-Type Normal monster gain 300 ATK until the End Phase."

Maybe that last part is a little too much, but just an idea and was trying to buff them up hehe :D

[Cosmo.]

I love the idea behind it and the artwork.

It's written that you made it all by yourself, that's awesome! I would love that these would be real, and the artwork is sort of what i'm looking for my new archetype (i don't wanna copy ,it's just that they are gonna be birds too).

Can't wait to see more about this archetype

[Marco Polo]

I love the idea behind it and the artwork.
It's written that you made it all by yourself, that's awesome! I would love that these would be real, and the artwork is sort of what i'm looking for my new archetype (i don't wanna copy ,it's just that they are gonna be birds too).
Can't wait to see more about this archetype

Thanks! more of the archetype is here, I also increased the card cap to 7.

I'm also curious how you expect it to really work. I mean the whole returning Lacrymosa (if it's treated as an effect monster), you would have to do it kind of prematurely to help give protection with the Crown monsters. This is just how things work would be something like this

• Your opponent uses Raigeki
• You wanting to save your Lacry (I'm going to shorten it to that from now on). Activate it's effect to summon Mavlus.

At that point since you still control an Effect Fusion monster you can't use your Crown monster and the chain resolves as normal. Lacry would go back to extra deck, summon Mavuls, Raigeki resolves destroying Mavuls. Honestlyy not too sure how to fix this at the moment.
As for buffing them up why not change Lacry's first effect to include all Winged Beast Fusion monsters (so it still gets the boost after it Gemini summons).
As for Spell/Traps go how about a Continuous or Field something like:
"The Normal summon of "Crown" monsters cannot be negated. When a "Crown" monster you control is destroyed by an opponent's cards (either by battle or card effect) and sent to your Graveyard, you can add 1 Level 4 or lower Winged Beast-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use this effect of ___ once per turn."
And maybe a Trap that negates thing that target them:
"When a "Crown" "Lacrymosa" or Winged Beast-Type Normal monster is targeted by a card or effect: Negate that effect, and if you do, destroy that card. Then all "Crown" "Lacrymosa" or Winged Beast-Type Normal monster gain 300 ATK until the End Phase."
Maybe that last part is a little too much, but just an idea and was trying to buff them up hehe :D.

Archetype traps are usually too situational, it's risky.
I'm now more on page with the spell; it is going to be closely related to the Araix, easing out summons. maybe some very restrictive double summoning and probably some other effects. thinking about your suggestion now actually..
and Lacrymosa would not protect you from raigeki, but from anything else your opponent might come up with.. attacks, effects that target upon activation (making lacrymosa's flee ability dismiss the effect) etc.
You know Yu-Gi-Oh, there's never 100% coverage. ;)
and I actually didn't think of it btw, nice find! The chain thing with mavelus and the hand crowns is something I haven't thought of, but I kinda like it. let's you take more risky choices.
:D
Thanks!

Azure Crown, Araix revealed. it's going to be more usable with future support so stay tuned. :)

[Cosmo.]

I just found out that you uploaded a new card, and i must say that i completely fell in love with this archetype.

The new card has a powerful effect but it's balanced by being a level 5.

I just followed this topic so whenever you update it i know and i will maybe give some feedback