shadowstorm913 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Just another button for danger times. Suggestions are welcome. :) "Activate this card if your opponent control more monsters than you. During your Battle Phase, all face up monsters your opponent control, are changed to defense position. If a monster effect is activated in response to this card activation: Draw 1 card." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Temple Gaurdian Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Why? Your opponent can just change them back on his turn. I guess it could have potential with Red Dragon Archfiend and the likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Interesting alternative to book of eclipse. However, the fact that it only works in your BP makes this card kinda slow. Maybe you can make its secondary effect work when a monster effect is chained to its activation OR effect. That would give it more versitility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowstorm913 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Interesting alternative to book of eclipse. However, the fact that it only works in your BP makes this card kinda slow. Maybe you can make its secondary effect work when a monster effect is chained to its activation OR effect. That would give it more versitility. Maybe it could be an continuous spell card, like: "As long as this cards remains in the field, all face-up monsters your opponent control are changed to Defense Position. For each turn this card is face-up in your side of the field, discard 1 card. If you don't,destroy this card." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'm pretty sure that last effect cannot work based on the nature of chaining. Since this thing is just a normal spell card it has Spell Speed of 1. Anything that has the ability to activate in response to this must, by the nature of Spell Speeds and Chaining, have a Spell Speed of 1 or higher. However, to my knowledge, 2 different effects on the same card cannot have different Spell Speeds unless one of them is a continuous effect, which means the 2nd effect must be a Trigger effect with Spell Speed 1, and thus it can only become chain link 3 after a Speed of 1 which was activated in response to your spell. The following are Spell Speed 1: Normal Spells Continuous Spells Equip Spells Field Spells Ritual Spells Flip Effects Ignition Effects Trigger Effects that can only activate on your turn Ignition-like Effects Trigger-like Effects As you can see, nothing on this list can actually be chain link 2 or higher, since none of their effects respond to anything and cannot be activated on the opponent's turn. To put it in laymans terms, your card is Spell Speed 1 with an effect that attempts to activate after an effect that is Speed 2+ It misses its timing 100% of the time. The simple fix: Make this a Quick-Play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I don't think making this card a quick play will help too much as the effect resolves during YOUR battle phase. Again, if anything it's a limited alternative to book of eclipse, good if you have decently strong piercers, or if your opponent's monsters have low defense, but not really great otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I don't think making this card a quick play will help too much as the effect resolves during YOUR battle phase. Again, if anything it's a limited alternative to book of eclipse, good if you have decently strong piercers, or if your opponent's monsters have low defense, but not really great otherwise. No, the effect resolves after activation. It is applied during the battle phase. It's the same as The Monarchs Storm Forth. The effect is not resolved on the tribute summon, it is resolved after the chain and the effect is used inherently when applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I guess I mistyped. I guess I was just wondering how making it a quick play would help it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I guess I mistyped. I guess I was just wondering how making it a quick play would help it though. Making it a quick-play would make its effects Spell Speed 2, the speed required to activate at your opponent's turn, and the speed of Quick Effects, normal Traps, Certain Trigger effects, quick-play spells, etc, and therefore would allow you to respond to Spell Speed 2 or lower. Aka the only thing that would make this miss its timing would be Spell Speed 3 or higher (basically just counter traps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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