Atypical-Abbie Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 An alternate win card. I made the effect for my OCG/PSCT thread, but I thought it would make a card out of the effect since I liked the idea. It can be a luck card, unless you somehow get a monster Set on your opponent's side of the field (I do remember that there is that one old card that does something like that, forgot its name). Must be Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) by banishing 1 face-up Synchro and Xyz Monster you control, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways. You cannot Special Summon other monsters during the turn this card is Special Summoned. When this card is Special Summoned: You can target 1 Set monster on each side of the field; reveal both those targets, then the player whose monster has the highest combined ATK and DEF wins the Duel. If both monsters have the same combined ATK and DEF, the Duel results in a DRAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEmissaryofDarkness Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well first of all, Alternate Win conditions are very much frowned upon in card design as it just makes the game turn into (Oh, I can get this guy out and win!). It's one of those unspoken rules of YCM to not make cards in advanced that revolve around an alternate win condition. As for the card itself...I am terrified. Essentially you gave D/D/D and Noden loops and Six Sams a new method of winning the match with relative ease. If you play against the right deck, like Yang Zing/Shaddolls where combined stats are not too present, then yeah, set a Kagemusha and see the fun. Hell, you can Book of Moon/Eclipse and if you have a massive easy to summon Beatstick like say Black Dragon Archfiend, Infernoid Onuncu, Judgment Dragon, Virgil, Shekhinaga, Trishula etc. etc., then it leaves a lot of room to bring that alternate win condition into fruition. It's not like it even has that much of a cost since the aforementioned D/D/D can get an Xyz and Synchro out with relative ease, and the same can be said for possible decks like RaidRaptor Blackwings, Igknights etc. Even with the ruling of "You cannot SS" It can still function as a easy Endgame that would be as cheap as Last Turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well first of all, Alternate Win conditions are very much frowned upon in card design as it just makes the game turn into (Oh, I can get this guy out and win!). It's one of those unspoken rules of YCM to not make cards in advanced that revolve around an alternate win condition. As for the card itself...I am terrified. Essentially you gave D/D/D and Noden loops and Six Sams a new method of winning the match with relative ease. If you play against the right deck, like Yang Zing/Shaddolls where combined stats are not too present, then yeah, set a Kagemusha and see the fun. Hell, you can Book of Moon/Eclipse and if you have a massive easy to summon Beatstick like say Black Dragon Archfiend, Infernoid Onuncu, Judgment Dragon, Virgil, Shekhinaga, Trishula etc. etc., then it leaves a lot of room to bring that alternate win condition into fruition. It's not like it even has that much of a cost since the aforementioned D/D/D can get an Xyz and Synchro out with relative ease, and the same can be said for possible decks like RaidRaptor Blackwings, Igknights etc. Even with the ruling of "You cannot SS" It can still function as a easy Endgame that would be as cheap as Last Turn. It's far from easy to pull off, you have to use a lot of resources to actually get it out, let alone have 2 monsters to Set and have more ATK/DEF than your opponent's monster. If you honestly find it cheap when you have to put so much effort into it, I would like you to review the other win conditions in YGO, because there are a lot easier ways to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEmissaryofDarkness Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are harder win conditions to pull off like Empty Jar, Vennominaga, and Jackpot 7, and again, this is relatively easy to actually pull off thanks to cards like Six Sams, Igknights, BA, etc. It just takes a good Book of Eclipse to make it happen, and with pre-existing combos like what Noden, AFD, Ptolomy M7, Dewloren etc, it's not a stretch, at least not more than Blaze Fenix FTKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 There are harder win conditions to pull off like Empty Jar, Vennominaga, and Jackpot 7, and again, this is relatively easy to actually pull off thanks to cards like Six Sams, Igknights, BA, etc. It just takes a good Book of Eclipse to make it happen, and with pre-existing combos like what Noden, AFD, Ptolomy M7, Dewloren etc, it's not a stretch, at least not more than Blaze Fenix FTKs. Reletively easy doesn't really make it a broken card. book of Exclipse also doesn't really work since you have to banish face-up monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I share the opinion that this card can potentially be a problem. I have even casual decks able to put a Synchro and an Xyz on board with relative ease, so that's not a huge issue. The card's main issue is the existence of Book of Eclipse. Yes you need face-up materials to make this card, but nothing really stops you from making this before activating said Book. The one situational aspect of this card would be the clause of "cannot Summon other monsters this turn" since it asks you to wait a turn after set-up, and that can be absurdly hard to maintain or incredibly consistent depending on many factors... Still, we are talking about an instant win condition here so if anything, it is too risky. You can also use the Shallow Grave and come on top relatively consistently if x3 Book of Eclipse sounds too situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atypical-Abbie Posted April 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I share the opinion that this card can potentially be a problem. I have even casual decks able to put a Synchro and an Xyz on board with relative ease, so that's not a huge issue. The card's main issue is the existence of Book of Eclipse. Yes you need face-up materials to make this card, but nothing really stops you from making this before activating said Book. The one situational aspect of this card would be the clause of "cannot Summon other monsters this turn" since it asks you to wait a turn after set-up, and that can be absurdly hard to maintain or incredibly consistent depending on many factors... Still, we are talking about an instant win condition here so if anything, it is too risky. You can also use the Shallow Grave and come on top relatively consistently if x3 Book of Eclipse sounds too situational. If you make this before you use Book of Eclipse, you wouldn't be able to activate its effect since it activates on its Summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEmissaryofDarkness Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Well no one is going to activate Book of Eclipse upon summon. Let me allow a late game situation. I am playing Six Sams, They are playing Shaddolls. They have a Falco facedown hoping to get their Construct back, I have a Shi En and a...Excalibur for example. Next turn, I draw a Kagemusha, I set that, Activate this card's effect, flip both, and win since Kagemusha has a higer combined stat than Falco. Or for Eclipse purposes... I am playing Infernoids Post-CORE, and my opponent plays Nekroz. Oh noes, they have Valkyrus and Trishula on board. I on the other hand have any suitable Synchro (Let's go with Catastor for example), A Dante, and an Infernoid Lillith. On my turn, I activate Book of Eclipse, now all monster are flipped face-down. I flip back up my Catastor and Dante, and get rid of them for this card. I activate this effect and win since their highest (Trishula) is not enough to beat mine (Lillith), I win, and he couldn't stop it since the Djinn lock needs him to be face-up. any deck that can bring this out will have it as an option and as Sleepy also said, the Shallow Grave also works wonders in this purpose, so essentially I have 7 cards that I can pull this off with (3 Eclipse, 3 Shallows, 1 Moon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 If you make this before you use Book of Eclipse, you wouldn't be able to activate its effect since it activates on its Summon. Touche. Somehow I missed that. The Shallow Grave and Book of Moon/Swords of Concealing Light are close to the only ways to do this now. Still, it is just a process of a few turns if a deck is built around it, but it is also as easy as splashing one of those 2 spells in some decks and if the conditions are good (which are not that hard to achieve) you can suddenly instant win the duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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