Blake Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 What exactly is there to prioritise in Nekroz? You only really need 3 synchros in the extra deck anyway as you don't want to be forced into making supoptimal Kaleidoscope plays if you're Mind Crushed, and when you have 12 slots for rank 4 Xyz Exciton is definitely better than the 12th slot. It's also worth mentioning it's good against Qliphort too which are definitely still a relevant deck (more so than Yosenju), not to mention random-ass Ritual Beasts if they forget to Steeds your Manju+Unicore (quite possible) or you make it with Denko which should really be mained in Nekroz these days. I mean, Nekroz is a bit of a bad example anyway since they actually have a rank 4 they want to go for a lot of the time but in decks like Shaddoll or even Qliphort where you don't really want to make a rank 4 a lot of the time Exciton is probably the best reactive rank 4 after Castel. edit: I don't like to use evidence in a discussion about opinions on cards but at YCS Chicago every top 32 decklist that I could find, about 12 of them, played Exciton with the exception of the BA list, even Shaddoll, Ritual Beast and Qliphort.I just dislike it as a generic card. You described a scenario where you'd be misplaying 9/10 to not stop the R4 in the first place, thoguh I definitely concede the Denko point.I just prefer DRXD or Lavalval over Exciton if I only have space for 1-2 more. DRXD is huge and steals games, and Lavalval is just a general playmaker. Whenever I run Exciton, it just feels like a wase of space, because I'm either not far enough behind to use it, or I can just force my way through their backrow (if any) more easily than nuking.Maybe I'm just stuck in last format, where it was especially bad, but... yeah.Black, I beg you. Exciton's one of the best Rank 4s out there. I know lots of decks play floaters. I know lots of decks can bounce back. It doesn't change the fact that a card nuking down the entire field (backrow as well, and that's harder to recover than monsters) TWICE is the best thing you can do to bounce back, especially since it barely uses up resources. I can't think of any deck on top of my head that's exceptionally starved for extra deck space to the point of not being able to run Exciton, multi-rank decks aside, and even then I'd probably make space for it and Castel. Not every deck benefits fully from Lavalval Chain or Emeral which are the next contenders for rank 4 slot. Sure, decks can bounce back. Decks can bounce back from everything. So we shouldn't play Fiendish Chains, Vanity, MST, Raigeki and all of that shizz because "most decks can bounce back"? Of course they do, if your deck can't get back into the game and folds to single disruption, it probably fucking sucks. Removal and disruption still buys you the precious time. I mean, you can not like it, that's fine, don't run it if you wanna. I just feel like you're giving it way too little credit. But to stay on topic: I'd simply like to point out the fact that no matter how prevalent Xyz are at the moment, current era clearly pushes EVERY summoning type. And only 1 of them has no Level to be restricted with Ophion. EDIT: Separated chunks of text.It's not a double nuke. Calling it such is giving it more credit than it is. Logically, it will never be more than a "single" nuke, even if it's seperated, and the latter is usually only against Noble Knights.The things is that any R4.dek has lots of options to sell it that aren't Exciton, and I can't find room for it except in the final slot... and even then, a tech choice like Number 80 or Cowboy is normally a better sell for me.And it's not about floaters, even. Most decks don't really devote enough to get Exciton to be worth it, and if they do, they can usually float it back. The only deck that really loses to Exciton without true overextension is D/D/D, and even then certain setups don't lose to it.Like I said, maybe I'm stuck in last format, but I've not seen Exciton as worth it in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 It's not a double nuke. Calling it such is giving it more credit than it is. Logically, it will never be more than a "single" nuke, even if it's seperated, and the latter is usually only against Noble Knights. The things is that any R4.dek has lots of options to sell it that aren't Exciton, and I can't find room for it except in the final slot... and even then, a tech choice like Number 80 or Cowboy is normally a better sell for me. And it's not about floaters, even. Most decks don't really devote enough to get Exciton to be worth it, and if they do, they can usually float it back. The only deck that really loses to Exciton without true overextension is D/D/D, and even then certain setups don't lose to it. Like I said, maybe I'm stuck in last format, but I've not seen Exciton as worth it in a while. Then a POSSIBLE double nuke. Possibility is still there, although yeah, more often than not you'll get just a single use. Well, as I said, it's preference then. I'd rather play Exciton over Cowboy for example. It doesn't always boil down to what is bettere, especially with how huge the variety in rank 4s is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Castel can quickscope specific cards/Pendulums, and not give a shit about other cards.Excit nukes everything and is all about timing.???????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Having brought my Evilswarm deck out of retirement to test it out against some modern decks... Ophion really doesn't have the power it once did. The biggest problem with the deck is still how slow it is. They have Castor for extra Normal Summons, and Kery for recycling/extra Normal Summons, but their only search card is Infestation Infection, which requires you have another Evilswarm to begin with that you don't need, and simply trade it for one you do. Rabbit is at 1, making the deck's easiest 1-card Ophion a shot in the dark. RotA is at 3, but Castor is the only Warrior, and they have no Beast-Warriors to take advantage of Tenki. The deck sorely needs a Stratos-like effect, but that's never going to happen, and in the time this deck takes to get its boss out, the opposing deck has already done way more. Meanwhile, all the meta decks have easy outs. tellars and HEROs don't care about him. Nekroz have Unicore, as said previously. Qli can Normal Summon their beaters and then negate their effects. Dolls have Lizard and Dragon to get rid of this. Atlanteans have Nephthabyss to pop him. Volcanics have Scattershot. Fire Kings can Wolfbark into any Rank 4. And unlike Veiler, who just stops the search, Yuki Usagi can just blow Ophion up, solving the problem instantly. About the only decks that don't have easy outs to him are Burning Abyss (unless they go into Acid Golem). So yeah, Evilswarm are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krein Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Burning Abyss have Farfa to banish Ophion and Alich to negate his effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Burning Abyss have Farfa to banish Ophion and Alich to negate his effect. So not even that. Well there ya go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Somebody really took a paragraph to call 101 and exciton bad. Lmao. I wonder what he would think of anime C80. "Oh it can banish all monsters or back row but its still bad" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Somebody really took a paragraph to call 101 and exciton bad. Lmao. I wonder what he would think of anime C80. "Oh it can banish all monsters or back row but its still bad" don't be sassy. his points are reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Somebody really took a paragraph to call 101 and exciton bad. Lmao. I wonder what he would think of anime C80. "Oh it can banish all monsters or back row but its still bad" but irl c80 is decent i mean in terms of rank-ups, it's generally better than c69, but that's not an accurate comparison at all 101 is now bad, even in R4 centric, and Exciton has at least had periods of being bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 but irl c80 is decent i mean in terms of rank-ups, it's generally better than c69, but that's not an accurate comparison at all 101 is now bad, even in R4 centric, and Exciton has at least had periods of being bad. 101 I guess is a lot worse than it use to be. Exciton is only supposed to be use against overextending or an emergency play. I wouldn't count it out so quickly. Btw irl c80 is fun but I can't help but say anime C80 because it was so broken. (Made a topic on it but it was ignored so if you wanna discuss that let's take it there please) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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