The banterbus is in town Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 So we can all agree that this system is a joke yeah? UKIP - ~12% Seats - 1 SNP - ~7% Seats - 56 Is this real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Yea, but the SNP did slaughter Labour. It all depends on turn out, plus UKIP stood for a larger number of seats than 59. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Normally I'd say this is bad but UKIP have one seat so maybe it's a good idea after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 It could be 2 if Thanet South (one of 15 left to announce) go UKIP. I am curious for how many seats UKIP did actually aim for, given numbers of non-Scottish seats I would say easily double SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 This Election to me was a shambles. Cameron may have said that we would have a referendum if he was re-elected but watch as that now won't happen. Everywhere I was reading, people were saying how much they were going to vote UKIP. Where were they yesterday? I did my part. At least we don't have Labour. Tony Blair and Gordon brown pretty much destroyed the country when they were in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 bye bye Farage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Normally I'd say this is bad but UKIP have one seat so maybe it's a good idea after all. >democracy is only good when I win Also, I'm pretty sure Labour would be in power now if First Past the Post wasn't a thing 2 party systems need to just go die a fiery death. They are ruining the very concept of democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Also, I'm pretty sure Labour would be in power now if First Past the Post wasn't a thing ? For the record, I'm not much of a fan of the first past the post system either but unfortunately the inter-party relationship is so dysfunctional that coalitions are normally disasters. If we were to use proportional representation for this election, say, the conservatives have 37% of the overall vote and would need a coalition with UKIP as well as another party, which sounds disastrous. A lot of it does come down to the fact that two ideologically different parties have the vast majority of the vote so it's difficult to get coalitions without involving several smaller parties which don't necessarily want to be in a coalition with eachother. Democratically FPTP isn't a good representation of the people and it's always going to leave people unhappy but I think the alternative would be a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 FPTP was probably a lot better when there were only two major parties. It was designed with the assumption that there would only ever be 2 major parties. Now we have smaller parties gaining more popularity, the system needs to be revised. When 37% is a "majority" and 300000 more votes equates to 55 more seats (SNP only got 300000 more than Green), we definitely need a new system. Also, despite Labour losing 26 seats, they actually gained 1.4% votes from the last election. The SNP screwed the whole thing up, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Well in addition to revamping FPTP I'd imagine they'd redo the balloting system to move past being just a two party "pick right or left" system. There's plenty of alternative voting strategies that allow for better representation and aren't nearly disasterous. as for the Labour and the FPTP thing, I recall reading that somewhere, I'll try to find the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0SS Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 This Election to me was a shambles. Cameron may have said that we would have a referendum if he was re-elected but watch as that now won't happen. Everywhere I was reading, people were saying how much they were going to vote UKIP. Where were they yesterday? I did my part. At least we don't have Labour. Tony Blair and Gordon brown pretty much destroyed the country when they were in power. You voted UKIP? I don't want to get personal by chastising your political opinion, but I'd be interested to know what it was that led you to that decision. The fact is, they came second in a lot of Constituencies, but didn't do enough to secure any seats (bar one). What UKIP had cleverly done, and this is a testament to their campaigning and PR Strategy, was to use Immigration as a scapegoat for the country's problems, making it seem as if that was the area which had primarily caused damage to Britain over the past few years. Certain people, especially in more detached areas, who may have been disillusioned with immigrants who had joined their community (I'm hesitant to label these people as racists, but let's say they were somewhat ignorant about the role immigrants play in our society), were therefore easily drawn in to the main ideals of the party; this, combined with a vigorous campaign and a charismatic leader in Farage, led to the widespread support we saw leading up to the election. The truth is, immigration is a far more complex and multi-layered issue than the usual 'they take our jobs and benefits'. Britain really, truthfully benefits from mass immigration; our society was built on it. It's also far from the most pressing matter of the moment, and really shouldn't be more than a side-issue at present, but UKIP have managed to twist it into the sticking point of their campaign, and a fair few people were suckered into this. Luckily, it wasn't enough for them to really gain any traction. I could also get into the whole Lab/Con debate, but I haven't got the energy right now. Maybe later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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