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[CLG Klavier]

 

I know we had this topic a few days ago but I want to make a point.

• Yang Zing can run it because their effects trigger off grave and they have Bi'an to make their Synchros immune to this.
• Yosenjus can run it because well, they never SS things aside from a few cases when you Xyz into Chidori or Castel.
• Qliphorts can run it because they dispose of their SS'd monsters rather quickly, so they don't lose out on anything.

In other decks, it's bad. That was Konami's intention: not to make another floodgate that can be splashed into SS-heavy decks like Vanity's so that you can lock out your opponent after doing things yourself. If you want to run this, you can't if your deck is reliant on extra deck bosses/special summoning multiple times a turn because currently there is no consistent way of dispatching this without losing advantage, like self-MSTing it. There are more rogue decks like Rock Stun that can run this I guess, but their shared trait is that they're anti-meta focused decks. "Meta" (aka special summon heavy) decks can't, won't, and shouldn't run this.

[ihop]

So it benefits aids decks and turns matches into a dieroll of whether a player has L1T/the other player has an out. Not much of an intention.

[CLG Klavier]

I mean if it was generic (let's say that it's one-sided but doesn't trigger if you have a SS'd thing) every single deck would run this and we'd have another Vanity's case. Meanwhile it's restrictive and it can be used only in specific decks.

 

I mean, this is kinda a salt thread since people don't funking realize that just because it's good, you don't have to put it everywhere. I've been told to run this in Noble Knights, Ghostricks and Nekroz. For real people?

[mido9]

I mean if it was generic (let's say that it's one-sided but doesn't trigger if you have a SS'd thing) every single deck would run this and we'd have another Vanity's case. Meanwhile it's restrictive and it can be used only in specific decks.

Well sure but as it is it's basically vanity's for specific decks. Which isnt a whole lot healthier.

[CLG Klavier]

Ugh, did I even bring up game health in this discussion?

 

Whatever, you guys are beyond repair.

[ihop]

So what's the point in this thread? It should be obvious that this isn't good in Nekroz and any deck that relies on special summoned monsters' effects.

[CLG Klavier]

So what's the point in this thread? It should be obvious that this isn't good in Nekroz and any deck that relies on special summoned monsters' effects.

Making a point for certain people who apparently believe it's good everywhere and kinda waiting for them to come here.

[Maeriberii Haan]

there's actually people that think like that?

[CLG Klavier]

As I said, I've been legit told to play this in Ghostricks and Noble Knights by a certain someone.

[Resident Fascist]

So it benefits aids decks and turns matches into a dieroll of whether a player has L1T/the other player has an out. Not much of an intention.

 

But muh Yang Zing :( Also, I'm going to agree with hoppy here and say that this topic is ultimately pretty pointless since we're just going to reiterate everything we've said before about the card. If you have a problem with a specific someone, why not just take it up with them rather than making a topic? I would not mind if this topic were to create any sort of discussion. Then you completely and pointlessly insult everyone prior in the thread for very little reason other than we are not posting how you want us to. I mean, what else do you exactly expect us to say? Bring up some random rogue deck that isn't at all relevant or even fringe and say it's good there? There's nothing really left to discuss with this card at this point.

 

 But for the sake of playing devil's advocate, it's an enormous tempo break in a game where tempo breaks tend to be enormous game changers due to the game being enormously based on tempo. I'm not going to bother making the argument that it is as much or is more of a tempo breaker than Vanity's or another floodgate because that would be a poor comparison. Like every floodgate ever, it's played in decks that can just bypass the floodgate and everyone else suffers. Although, I am very glad that Konami are beginning to realise the implications of cards that essentially just remove the opponent's deck from existence by being on the field. This one is at least somewhat more interactive than say, Macro, Skill Drain and Vanity's in particular, but still far from really something I'd say is good for the format. Maybe in a slower game where having a monster stunned for a turn, this would be totally fine and healthy. 

[ihop]

I mean whilst I do agree that this place has too much discussion about how healthy cards and decks are and not enough discussion about how to actually maximise the value of said cards and decks this one's pretty obvious - you said the three decks it's good in yourself in the OP and all this thread is is a veiled callout at Spinda which is not achieving anything.

 

edit: Yang Zing DEFINITELY classify as an aids deck

[CLG Klavier]

Then you completely and pointlessly insult everyone prior in the thread for very little reason other than we are not posting how you want us to.

You felt insulted by that?

 

lol

[Maeriberii Haan]

Klavier, please do not fan the flames, alright?

 

Oh well, thread's killed anyway.