10 people shot at child's birthday party in Detroit. 1 dead.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/21/us/detroit-birthday-party-shooting/index.html

 

Also, this is unrelated, but, 10 people were shot in Philadelphia: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/21/us/philadelphia-block-party-shooting/index.html

 

In both cases, I hope the cops catch the guys that did it.

[Slinky]

And of course, the second incident involves black people. Way to hold up that stereotype guys. Really going that extra mile.

[Fusion X. Denver]

I will blow a funking gasket if gun violence is not cracked down on soon.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

I will blow a f***ing gasket if gun violence is not cracked down on soon.

 

Sadly, I don't see gun violence being cracked down upon anytime soon. I hate saying that, but that's how I feel.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

People Kill people

 

You can make a cyanide canister easily and throw it in a crowd just as easily

 

 

How about we crack down on the killers and instead of the objects abused?

[Lonk]

>10 people shot.  1 dead.

>Detroit

 

This honestly doesn't surprise me, considering what Detroit is.  Same applies for Philadelphia.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

People Kill people

 

You can make a cyanide canister easily and throw it in a crowd just as easily

 

 

How about we crack down on the killers and instead of the objects abused?

Yes, people kill people. Ridiculously easy access to guns make it easier to get guns to kill people. This country does not have a cyanide canister violence problem. It does have a gun violence problem.

 

That being said, there's so many guns out there already and I doubt criminals will follow the law. Doesn't mean better gun laws aren't needed, though.

[.Rai]

People Kill people

 

You can make a cyanide canister easily and throw it in a crowd just as easily

 

 

How about we crack down on the killers and instead of the objects abused?

Or both.

 

*shrugs*

[Aerion Brightflame]

People Kill people

 

You can make a cyanide canister easily and throw it in a crowd just as easily

 

How about we crack down on the killers and instead of the objects abused?

 

Your average person can't manifacture or obtain Cynaide at the drop of a hat. Whereas you can obtain a gun pretty easily in your country, and use it much ore easily. 

 

I mean the thing is it's much easier to fight back against someone using a weapon other than a gun, than it is when they have a gun. Its also much harder to murder multiple people in a public setting without usage of a gun, because the kinds of cases that come up in Americain news generally aren't ones planned to amazing detail where they would substitute explosives for a gun (And even that's harder in theory to pull off because it requires it to either be suicide, or a large amount of preplanning. 

 

Cracking own on the killers is all well and good, but so is removing the easiest to access tool for this kind of thing, and will probably prevent more of these than anything else. 

 

Like, your country has proven pretty regularly that the current system of gun control you have does not work. There are some other countries in the world with pretty free gunlaw iirc, but they clearly have a society that allows it to function properly. America has proven itself not to (And yes, this is a generalisation, but at this point it's one I feel you should be making. If you are having these events occurring so often you should not have access to firearms on the level that you do. Because it's clearly not healthy for your populace). 

[Flame Dragon]

People Kill people

 

You can make a cyanide canister easily and throw it in a crowd just as easily

 

 

How about we crack down on the killers and instead of the objects abused?

And yet when people suggest to make it harder for people to get guns gun rights activists get very defensive and refuse.

 

And what do you think cracking down on the killers will do? The SC gunman is either going to get the death sentence (don't know if the state has it) or get multiple life sentences. What more can you do to deter the actual person?

[Agro]

If it weren't for the fact that I prefer a cold climate to lower the amount, frequency and size of bugs, I might consider moving to Australia.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

Your average person can't manifacture or obtain Cynaide at the drop of a hat. Whereas you can obtain a gun pretty easily in your country, and use it much ore easily. 

 

I mean the thing is it's much easier to fight back against someone using a weapon other than a gun, than it is when they have a gun. Its also much harder to murder multiple people in a public setting without usage of a gun, because the kinds of cases that come up in Americain news generally aren't ones planned to amazing detail where they would substitute explosives for a gun (And even that's harder in theory to pull off because it requires it to either be suicide, or a large amount of preplanning. 

 

Cracking own on the killers is all well and good, but so is removing the easiest to access tool for this kind of thing, and will probably prevent more of these than anything else. 

 

Like, your country has proven pretty regularly that the current system of gun control you have does not work. There are some other countries in the world with pretty free gunlaw iirc, but they clearly have a society that allows it to function properly. America has proven itself not to (And yes, this is a generalisation, but at this point it's one I feel you should be making. If you are having these events occurring so often you should not have access to firearms on the level that you do. Because it's clearly not healthy for your populace). 

 

 

t's common sense that guns shouldn't be easy to get IMO but there's always a hurdle thanks to the NRA and the gun lobby plus the whole political side of things. It's sad. It's really sad.

 

 

And yet when people suggest to make it harder for people to get guns gun rights activists get very defensive and refuse.

 

And what do you think cracking down on the killers will do? The SC gunman is either going to get the death sentence (don't know if the state has it) or get multiple life sentences. What more can you do to deter the actual person?

 

I'm starting to think American society has become a society where we care more about guns than people, tbh.

 

If it weren't for the fact that I prefer a cold climate to lower the amount, frequency and size of bugs, I might consider moving to Australia.

 

At least the Aussies were smart enough to pass better gun laws. Granted, I have doubts whether that would work in America. I think we'd be better off taking lessons from Switzerland. Maybe the Scandinavian countries as well. I'm sure Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries have stricter laws, but if what I read is true, gun ownership isn't exactly low in those nations. Maybe they figured out a gun culture that works unlike America.

 

Although, at the end of the day, it's going to take much more than gun laws to fix America's problem.

[Slinky]

And yet when people suggest to make it harder for people to get guns gun rights activists get very defensive and refuse.

 

And what do you think cracking down on the killers will do? The SC gunman is either going to get the death sentence (don't know if the state has it) or get multiple life sentences. What more can you do to deter the actual person?

 

I can think of one way, but it'd be highly illegal and detestable.

 

serial killers and mass murderers = life in prison, no parole, maybe once a month they get strapped to some torture device and get the sheet beaten out of them. That should deter it a bit.

[epicmemesbro]

Gun laws are very strict in places like Chicago and Detroit, yet they have higher gun crimes. It isn't rocket science ladies and gentlemen. We should be focusing on stabilizing the environment around those places.

[Tentacruel]

It's a little of everything really.  Yes, lower amount of guns = fewer gun-related crimes.  No sheet.  Basically, people who own guns but aren't criminals don't want to have to give up their firearms they use for recreation or home defense and/or be treated like psychopaths.  

 

We should be more aware of gun safety as a society.  This includes both handling a gun yourself and storing it properly.  Don't let your kids have access to it etc. 

 

And of course, stabilizing the environment is high-crime areas is also a good move. 

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

Gun laws are very strict in places like Chicago and Detroit, yet they have higher gun crimes. It isn't rocket science ladies and gentlemen. We should be focusing on stabilizing the environment around those places.

 

Try telling that to both sides of the debate.

 

It's a little of everything really.  Yes, lower amount of guns = fewer gun-related crimes.  No s***.  Basically, people who own guns but aren't criminals don't want to have to give up their firearms they use for recreation or home defense and/or be treated like psychopaths.  

 

We should be more aware of gun safety as a society.  This includes both handling a gun yourself and storing it properly.  Don't let your kids have access to it etc. 

 

And of course, stabilizing the environment is high-crime areas is also a good move. 

 

Agreed. Gun violence is a huge problem, but so are gun accidents.

[Dad]

And of course, the second incident involves black people. Way to hold up that stereotype guys. Really going that extra mile.

 

This type of ignorance is what keeps people angry.  When you say irrelevant, stupid sheet like this.  You don't even know what you're talking about, do you?

 

 

People Kill people

 

You can make a cyanide canister easily and throw it in a crowd just as easily

 

 

How about we crack down on the killers and instead of the objects abused?

 

We need to focus on both.  The killers are a problem.  The weapons used are a problem.  It's all one big funking problem.

 

Gun laws are very strict in places like Chicago and Detroit, yet they have higher gun crimes. It isn't rocket science ladies and gentlemen. We should be focusing on stabilizing the environment around those places.

 

This.  While I agree that guns should be more controlled, environment plays a big roll in violence.  Even if you restrict guns, people will find a way to obtain them.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Yeah, saying we need to focus on one side of this doesn't really work. There's multiple issues within every major issue. But I will say it's better to fix the stuff that's easier to fix first, cause it tends to make the rest of it less difficult.

[Swelterrier]

Let's start a riot!

I know what it will be called.

Ze Gir Riot!

[.Rai]

Let's start a riot!

I know what it will be called.

Ze Gir Riot!

Please don't spam, cheers!

[Mugendramon]

If it weren't for the fact that I prefer a cold climate to lower the amount, frequency and size of bugs, I might consider moving to Australia.

Death by animals and flash fires make australia the best tourist trap ever.

I can think of one way, but it'd be highly illegal and detestable.

 

serial killers and mass murderers = life in prison, no parole, maybe once a month they get strapped to some torture device and get the sheet beaten out of them. That should deter it a bit.

Inhumanity doesn't solve a problem so much as creates a very different one.

[Flame Dragon]

I want to know what I'm missing, but the whole "if someone had a gun less people might have been hurt" doesn't make any sense to me as an argument even though it comes up whenever one of these type of things happen. How that person would react in a situation like that is incredibly hard to judge so them being in the right frame of mind to respond to what ever is going on is massively variable. This even applies to a trained cop since if your at a church your not going to be able to immediately react simply because you aren't physically ready too. Least of all actually hit the attacker back should you be able to draw your gun and fire back. This is all made even harder still when you think about the chaos that will be erupting around you and everyone starts to move around and try and find cover/check on those that might have been hit. The simple fact is the attacker doesn't care what they hit, they just want to hitting something, the person with the gun needs to not only deal with their own mental state during this, but also the chaos that will be erupting around them all while trying to hit one specific person.

[Tentacruel]

I want to know what I'm missing, but the whole "if someone had a gun less people might have been hurt" doesn't make any sense to me as an argument even though it comes up whenever one of these type of things happen. How that person would react in a situation like that is incredibly hard to judge so them being in the right frame of mind to respond to what ever is going on is massively variable. This even applies to a trained cop since if your at a church your not going to be able to immediately react simply because you aren't physically ready too. Least of all actually hit the attacker back should you be able to draw your gun and fire back. This is all made even harder still when you think about the chaos that will be erupting around you and everyone starts to move around and try and find cover/check on those that might have been hit. The simple fact is the attacker doesn't care what they hit, they just want to hitting something, the person with the gun needs to not only deal with their own mental state during this, but also the chaos that will be erupting around them all while trying to hit one specific person.

It's not an absolute safety net, and it's not really a reason for everyone to own guns, but of course that makes sense.

 

Assailant with gun.  Bang.  Dead.  Would everyone be able to react in that situation?  Of course not.  But it's not like it would have gone any worse if someone had a gun. 

[Flame Dragon]

It's not an absolute safety net, and it's not really a reason for everyone to own guns, but of course that makes sense.

 

Assailant with gun.  Bang.  Dead.  Would everyone be able to react in that situation?  Of course not.  But it's not like it would have gone any worse if someone had a gun.

See, thats my problem. A lot of people who use this argument treat it like having someone around with a gun would make things so much better. Even assuming that person is a cop I believe they will have a hard time of it since they simply wouldn't be mentally prepared to deal with it so their reaction time would be dulled.

 

And it certainly could since they could easily end up injuring a civilian during all the chaos. Between the mental strain of everything happening and the chaos in the room its certainly plausible that they miss and hit someone else.

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

I feel like I should also point out that gun violence is not a new problem in this country. America has a history of mass shooting incidents.