I have steam too

[Tentacruel]

"You shouldn't be offended by that" is the stupidest funking thing I've ever heard. 

 

I mean look, I get that people don't want to have to change they way they talk or censor sheet just to avoid people being triggered or whatever.  But outright telling people not to be bothered something they don't like is funking retarded. 

 

I use bad words like baka all the time and sheet, but of course some people aren't going to like hearing that word.  Get over it.

 

 

 

 

 

Discuss or whatever.

[The Amazing Avian]

I don't know how to be offended. To be honest, nothing really gets to me.

[Simping For Hina]

baka isn't a bad word. It is an offensive word, and one I would gladly get rid of. I hate how that word has been used to describe, brand, name, refer, and define me. It is offensive because it is a word that directly attacks and has attacked people. Honestly, that word is offensive to me and I lost some respect for you because you use it. You can use it all you want, I don't give a funk about it being used. But I definitely lose respect for those who do use it.

There is a difference between what is offensive and those who are offended. Things are taken personally sometimes, and people will get offended and feel attacked. It is best to not respond in a way that would lower your personal stature and make people look down on you. Look at things from a reasonable standpoint, and it is going to reflect more than anything. That is where the argument becomes something that helps growth of people, community, and broader concepts of things.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

It's always best to understand how people feel about a situation/word/whatever. It's fine to speak your mind but, in my opinion, when you can easily say something in a more calm and friendly way, go for it.

 

The word baka brings back bad thoughts and it makes me uncomfortable.

[Icy]

... I could go on for days on this issue and still have enough to fill out the rest of the year. But to prevent me from being here for hours typing it up just;

 

No human is an island unto themselves. The actions you take will have consequences somewhere somehow and you should be prepared for them or you will sink into the depths alone.

[Tentacruel]

It was probably a poor choice of words, as it distracted from my point, but I guess that is my point.  Words can offend people.  It's not reasonable to expect everyone to get on your level of what you think is offensive.

 

And then you have the people that just think being offended by anything ever is stupid.  

[Simping For Hina]

Everything is going to offend someone no matter what you say or how you say it.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

"You shouldn't be offended by that" is the stupidest f***ing thing I've ever heard. 

 

I mean look, I get that people don't want to have to change they way they talk or censor s*** just to avoid people being triggered or whatever.  But outright telling people not to be bothered something they don't like is f***ing retarded. 

 

I use bad words like fa**** all the time and s***, but of course some people aren't going to like hearing that word.  Get over it.

 

 

 

 

 

Discuss or whatever.

 

 

By telling people to "get over it" when you say baka all the time you're telling them that they shouldn't be offended. You're contradicting yourself, Tenta. Make up your mind. 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

By telling people to "get over it" when you say fa**** all the time you're telling them that they shouldn't be offended. You're contradicting yourself, Tenta. Make up your mind. 

I could be mistaken but I believe he means "Get over the fact that people will be offended." As in, people are going to be offended, and people need to deal with that fact. At least that's how I read it.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

If that were the case, I'd think he'd filter his constant use of the word fa**** for those who might take offence. Nonetheless, "get over the fact that people will be offended" would still be telling people not to be offended, it'd just be not to be offended by people who get offended. 

[Goose]

I try to avoid using words for a group of people pejoratively. It's just a sheet thing to do

[epicmemesbro]

Just as one person has the right to say that word another has the right to criticize him for it.

 

o.O wats up with that title btw?

[Tentacruel]

I could be mistaken but I believe he means "Get over the fact that people will be offended." As in, people are going to be offended, and people need to deal with that fact. At least that's how I read it.

This would be correct.

 

But yeah this thread is a train-wreck. 

[Simping For Hina]

This would be correct.

 

But yeah this thread is a train-wreck. 

To have sentiment, it is because of how you presented the "steam".

[Tentacruel]

To have sentiment, it is because of how you presented the "steam".

Yeah dude, it is my fault.  I'm pretty sheet at presenting ideas. 

[Lunar Origins]

People are not glass.  People are not glass.  People are not glass.  People are not glass.  They will never be glass.  You should not treat their feelings like glass.  You will not break them with a single word.  If you do, then that is their problem.

 

Using a word to describe an entire group of people, however, is wrong.  Using a word to call someone an idiot is okay, because they are an idiot, is okay.

 

Hugboxing people and trying to change what others say in order to protect them is wrong.  People are allowed to voice their opinions about other people, so long as it does not apply that to the entire group.  Thus, you cannot disrespect someone based on who they are, how they identify as, or whatnot.  But their intelligence, if they make an outright stupid statement?  Oh boy.  You can go for that all you want, even if you will rip yourself to shreds in the process.  And what if you end up being the person in the wrong there?  Well, too bad for you, you've opened up your own can of worms, so get ready to fight.

 

I swear.  YCM's become the most disgustingly huggy 'protect feelings' place as of late, and that disgusts me.

[Simping For Hina]

People are not glass.  People are not glass.  People are not glass.  People are not glass.  They will never be glass.  You should not treat their feelings like glass.  You will not break them with a single word.  If you do, then that is their problem.

 

Using a word to describe an entire group of people, however, is wrong.  Using a word to call someone an idiot is okay, because they are an idiot, is okay.

 

Hugboxing people and trying to change what others say in order to protect them is wrong.  People are allowed to voice their opinions about other people, so long as it does not apply that to the entire group.  Thus, you cannot disrespect someone based on who they are, how they identify as, or whatnot.  But their intelligence, if they make an outright stupid statement?  Oh boy.  You can go for that all you want, even if you will rip yourself to shreds in the process.  And what if you end up being the person in the wrong there?  Well, too bad for you, you've opened up your own can of worms, so get ready to fight.

 

I swear.  YCM's become the most disgustingly huggy 'protect feelings' place as of late, and that disgusts me.

What disgusts me about how you promote your ideas, and you have been doing it in most cases of your posts, is that you don't allow people to change and own up to their own cases. You literally just go to attack them without a second thought, and that is as gross as a person can act in most scenarios. There is nothing healthy about that. It isn't about protecting feelings. It is about learning about others, (learning from others), and also teaching others about problems. People will be wrong. Most people will never own up to anything and just let an ignorant rant begin, but you are doing nothing to stop it if you are getting ready for a fight whether you are the one who is right or who are the one who is wrong. You're promoting the fight by being a part of it.

 

You can disrespect people for who they are and disrespect people for how they identify. That doesn't mean that you should, or the fact that it will be tolerated. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it should be done or that the person has any right to do so. People aren't glass. I have never heard that before. Just note that your words have consequences, but the way you look at something and grow from it will make you a better person overall. I have done so much that I regret. One time, in my sociology class, we were talking about how races were represented. I talked about a personal experience where I heard a man refer to black people as a monkey and how they all look the same. This guy was kicked out of the circus because of what he said. He had the ability to not say it, but he chose to do so. This man knew what he said was wrong, but said it anyways; He was kicked out. His word has consequences, and that is what people should learn.

 

Now, if someone says something stupid, don't call them stupid for it. Tell them why you think it is stupid and add information that allows for the statement to be correct. If they begin a conversation and a debate, go involved in that sheet and don't let your emotions dictate the tone of voice. That allows for information to be interpreted in a incorrect manner. Settle the conversation once both parties have understanding if you want to go no further, or try to change the other person's perspective. I honestly think that people are more than just their words, but how they also react to words and situations. That is what any proper reaction should be, though. Degrading people for being stupid doesn't make anyone better, and it makes yourself worse for not trying to better the other person.

 

People aren't just what they say. People can change. When you are wrong, admit that you are wrong. When you are right, don't be an ass about it.

[BANZAI!!!!]

People are not glass.  People are not glass.  People are not glass.  People are not glass.  They will never be glass.  You should not treat their feelings like glass.  You will not break them with a single word.  If you do, then that is their problem.

 

Using a word to describe an entire group of people, however, is wrong.  Using a word to call someone an idiot is okay, because they are an idiot, is okay.

 

Hugboxing people and trying to change what others say in order to protect them is wrong.  People are allowed to voice their opinions about other people, so long as it does not apply that to the entire group.  Thus, you cannot disrespect someone based on who they are, how they identify as, or whatnot.  But their intelligence, if they make an outright stupid statement?  Oh boy.  You can go for that all you want, even if you will rip yourself to shreds in the process.  And what if you end up being the person in the wrong there?  Well, too bad for you, you've opened up your own can of worms, so get ready to fight.

 

I swear.  YCM's become the most disgustingly huggy 'protect feelings' place as of late, and that disgusts me.

I completely disagree with you.

 

Its not about keeping people's feelings from getting hurt. We're all big boys and girls and im pretty sure no one's going to go crying to their parents because someone called them a f***ing moron. The reason we're supposed to behave is because we're supposed to act like adults and goddamn behave. That means having manners and being polite even if the person you're conversing with is being stupid and irrational. What disgusts me is this childish notion people have that going off on someone is ok period. Tongue lashings do not make you an adult, they make you an angry child. If anger was the correct response, I'd be going off on YCM's bullshit constantly. We're all able to behave like civil adults. Have some integrity and give that a try.

 

EDIT: Dae beating me to the punch much more eloquently than i'm able to be right now. repp'd.

[Simping For Hina]

I completely disagree with you.

 

Its not about keeping people's feelings from getting hurt. We're all big boys and girls and im pretty sure no one's going to go crying to their parents because someone called them a f***ing moron. The reason we're supposed to behave is because we're supposed to act like adults and goddamn behave. That means having manners and being polite even if the person you're conversing with is being stupid and irrational. What disgusts me is this childish notion people have that going off on someone is ok period. Tongue lashings do not make you an adult, they make you an angry child. If anger was the correct response, I'd be going off on YCM's bullshit constantly. We're all able to behave like civil adults. Have some integrity and give that a try.

 

EDIT: Dae beating me to the punch much more eloquently than i'm able to be right now. repp'd.

Can I just ask to do without the word "adult" and "child"? The world isn't ran by adults and issues are also affecting children. It is just about behaving and being civil. The connotation of group for adult and child is disgusting because there are some children who are smarter, and more equipped to handle things than adults are. Also, vice versa. This world needs to be more connected to each other, and that also means not denying the future to be a part of the present.

[BANZAI!!!!]

Can I just ask to do without the word "adult" and "child"? The world isn't ran by adults and issues are also affecting children. It is just about behaving and being civil. The connotation of group for adult and child is disgusting because there are some children who are smarter, and more equipped to handle things than adults are. Also, vice versa. This world needs to be more connected to each other, and that also means not denying the future to be a part of the present.

The terminology is irrelevant and you have a point, so yes. The point is like you said, behaving and being civil.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Online debating 101:

 

All is fair in love and war, including visceral rhetoric about what an opponent's stupid argument could be attributed to. Sure, you could just politely tell someone their argument is stupid, but if you call them stupid in general and do it right, then that undermines their credibility to the point that their argument being stupid is a given. Calling the group that person's associated with stupid can be tricky to pull off but is potentially even more effective when it works. Generally people on the internet do this by assigning their opponent to a group or groups they aren't a part of.

 

Behold, the perfect comment: "your a stupid fa**** such, on my dick", incorporating all the above in one fell swoop, including such advanced tactics as terrible grammar, so that your opponent might think they see a weakness. 

 

"Aha! You called me stupid but you're the one who can't spell you're!"

 

But by that point it's already too late for them, they've fallen for your trap and are in your domain: the ever-present sunlit snowbanks of the eternal pissing contest, the perfect battleground. 

 

1) "you're* mom droped you as a baby"  

2) "LOL ur not even denying how your a fa**** so put you're* mouth on, my dick" 

3) "THUG LYFE THREE HUNNA, BEYATCH!"

 

are all acceptable answers at that point. Your opponent could respond with any combination of:

 

1) "You employed 'you're' in the wrong context! That time it really should've been 'your'!" 

2) "Uh I'm not into that gay stuff."

3) "OH YOU REP THAT THUG LYFE TOO HOMIE HOLLATCHABOI"

 

Then you have:

1) YEA WELL AT LEAST IM NOT A GRAMER NAZI PUNK DROPED ON MY MOMS BASEMENT AND STAY THEIR TILL THERE 50 LIKE SOME PPL (LIKE U)"

2) "YOUR IN DENIAL SUCKH, MY DICK"

3)"BYTCH YOU ARE NOT ABOUT THAT LYFE" (really be sure to challenge their authenticity, there isn't room enough for two thugs on the internet, at this point telling them to go back to their country over the internet and insinuating that their country is somewhere struggling economically might be a good idea too. For further information,

 

 

That's basically all you need to win 100% of you're* arguments, that's a skeleton for starting off and getting your feet wet, it'll get easier as you go along.