Maeriberii Haan Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 When a monster(s) is Summoned: Destroy all monsters on the field. Should this or shouldn't this be at anywhere above 1 at the moment in TCG? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Honestly, I think the fact that it destroys your own monsters(compared to warning or judgment or BTH or etc where you're wiping the enemy board while keeping your own monsters to use their effect again/gain massive tempo) makes that fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 The only problem I see with this card in TCG is BA or Yang Zing, decks that can float significantly better than other decks would be able to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Decks like Shaddoll, Burning Abyss, and Cosmic Dragons make me wary of bringing this higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Torrential is still a pretty amazing card though. The "powercreeped" argument wont work anymore Pretty sure that it overtook Compulsory and Solemn J as the most played trap in OCG The interactions with Magician Pendulum and Pendulum decks in general is just stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANDAA BORUTO Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I say BTH and Torrential to 2, Warning to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I say BTH and Torrential to 2, Warning to 0.Ehh Mistake, L1T, and all other floodgates to 1. BTH, TT, Compuls to 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Ehh Mistake, L1T, and all other floodgates to 1. BTH, TT, Compuls to 3 How's about no? Honestly, that's even worse than Dark Hole @2 and Raigeki @1. Since Torrential is reactive, it can do a lot more damage than the spells can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 How's about no? Honestly, that's even worse than Dark Hole @2 and Raigeki @1. Since Torrential is reactive, it can do a lot more damage than the spells can.Floodgates are a worse cancer to the game. Might as well bump up reactive traps than leave traps that are both reactive, proactive, and infinite alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I was more referring to what you were bumping up, than what you were bumping down. I have no problem with the floodgates @1, it's everything else you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Torrential is a floodgate.Or to be more accurate, the structural failure of a floodgate. Volcanics have proved how dangerous quickplay Dark Hole is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I was more referring to what you were bumping up, than what you were bumping down. I have no problem with the floodgates @1, it's everything else you said.You don't. Other will cry that I'm promoting OTK's by moving flood gates down "Nekroz Tellar meta" IMHO, the only floodgates that should be at multiples are Oppression and Vanity, more so the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 You don't. Other will cry that I'm promoting OTK's by moving flood gates down "Nekroz Tellar meta" IMHO, the only floodgates that should be at multiples are Oppression and Vanity, more so the latter ..I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 ..I'm done.Special summoning ruined this game. I understand its a controversial opinion, which is why I said more so the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Special Summoning has ALWAYS been a part of the game. It's just gotten more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Special Summoning has ALWAYS been a part of the game. It's just gotten more important.No. It's become an uncontrollable cancer. As black said, it may be fun, but its running the game down to the ground and its super unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I could see it going to 2, but idk. Strongly disagree with whoever said BTH should go to 3, though. That's just some silliness. I think Warning's fine at 1 as it prevents stuff like Denko from being completely uncounterable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Strongly disagree with whoever said BTH should go to 3, though. That's just some silliness.You'd be hardpressed to find someone who shares my vision for this game to be honest. I get lynched in OCG everytime I suggest banning Duster without hitting the traps, I'm used to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I mean the OCG's a different game, so I suppose your arguments are different. I personally want Feather Duster back here. Not just because I picked up 8, but because I feel like it would bring a fun dynamic to the game and cause people to be less reliant on back row. Also I wanna see Starlight Road played again so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I mean the OCG's a different game, so I suppose your arguments are different. I personally want Feather Duster back here. Not just because I picked up 8, but because I feel like it would bring a fun dynamic to the game and cause people to be less reliant on back row. Also I wanna see Starlight Road played again so there's that.I mean Starlight sees play in OCG plenty. More for Torrential than HFD, but regardless. I would put the floodgates outside of Vanity and Oppression to 1, bump up all the traps to larger numbers. Limit backrow removal such as MST and such, ban the nukes and Denko like cards Unban the "strong" monsters like Brionac and the kind.....I'm alone in that camp however Raigeki and Hole would be at large numbers. It would be a new age goat format almost....*shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Even if it isn't common opinion, I really would love to see HFD come back. With Pendulums, I'd argue Heavy is way worse. I'm not so sure on Oppression, but I think Brio could come back with a once per turn clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Even if it isn't common opinion, I really would love to see HFD come back. With Pendulums, I'd argue Heavy is way worse. I'm not so sure on Oppression, but I think Brio could come back with a once per turn clause.Heavy broke Qliphorts with Penshock...that's why it got banned I mean like no erratas. Traps like Compuls would be @3 Oppression and Vanity @3. Hole @3 Raigeki @2-3. MST @1 Duster Denko @0. The only things that would be banned are the lame FTK cards like the Jars and the super staples such as Sentry....like I said, nobody I know shares my vision. Most people complain that the traps power of the game would be too damn high which imo is a good thing but w/e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Heavy broke Qliphorts with Penshock...that's why it got banned I mean like no erratas. Traps like Compuls would be @3 Oppression and Vanity @3. Hole @3 Raigeki @2-3. MST @1 Duster Denko @0. The only things that would be banned are the lame FTK cards like the Jars and the super staples such as Sentry....like I said, nobody I know shares my vision. Most people complain that the traps power of the game would be too damn high which imo is a good thing but w/e While I'm not sure I agree, I can definitely say it sounds like it would be a fun game to play. Raigeki is the perfect 1-of card in my opinion, though a lot of people understandably aren't a fan. On topic though, I'd be okay with Torrential going to 2, I just worry about Yang Zing gaining significantly from it. While the Deck isn't top tier, it has the potential to be if they keep getting power pieces like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 While I'm not sure I agree, I can definitely say it sounds like it would be a fun game to play. Raigeki is the perfect 1-of card in my opinion, though a lot of people understandably aren't a fan. On topic though, I'd be okay with Torrential going to 2, I just worry about Yang Zing gaining significantly from it. While the Deck isn't top tier, it has the potential to be if they keep getting power pieces like that.That's 100% True. Triple Torrential (and Triple Skill Drain) is what's letting Yang Zing top 4 at nats OCG side. I would expect it would have a similar effect TCG side. Being able to remove the Djinn Lock and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Heavy broke Qliphorts with Penshock...that's why it got banned I mean like no erratas. Traps like Compuls would be @3 Oppression and Vanity @3. Hole @3 Raigeki @2-3. MST @1 Duster Denko @0. The only things that would be banned are the lame FTK cards like the Jars and the super staples such as Sentry....like I said, nobody I know shares my vision. Most people complain that the traps power of the game would be too damn high which imo is a good thing but w/e What the funk man? Seriously, lay off the crack. You can't seriously want Hole @3 AND Raigeki @2+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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