We Seriously Need To Consider Gishki

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A tag duel showing off what Gishki can do.

 

Not only are there Cyber Dragon Infinity outs, but I also completely destroyed the Cyber Dragon player's hand, AND I ended the duel, managing to make three huge beaters without decking out, and using one of them to get rid of a problematic trap card. The deck has great ability to recycle, make high rank Xyz, and alternate methods of removal. The required discard effect of Clear World to the Gishki deck has remained completely irrelevant to the outcome of the duel. I didn't even use any of the generic ritual support, either. Something else good about Gishkis is that they have options to run Trade-In, increasing consistency. If that wasn't enough, we have Levianima, the Elemental Lord in combination with all the recycling to ensure that there are 5 waters in the grave for consistent hand destruction.

 

Gishkis in the April format.

 

Obviously back then, Djinn was completely legal. In a deck like Gishki though, it's only usable in a level 6 Ritual. As a person who only plays 2 Level 6's, I can say that Djinn was really inconsistent in my deck, even with Tour Guide. This video doesn't really show how much Gishki can do today, but it does show that Gishki was as much of a threat as Nekroz was back then, and even more of a threat than Nekroz is today.

 

Gishkis in this current format.

 

Today, the shuffling effect of Soul Ogre is much better than it was in the past. Soul Ogre is absolutely great at getting rid of Pendulum Scales, as shown in the duel against Igknights, which I really had to come in clutch with him. In the second duel against Gravekeepers, I easily dodged floaters by shuffling them back into the deck. The last duel against Harpies shows that with Gishkis, even a small amount of advantage can be what allows you to make high power monsters, like Gustav Max or Hieratic Overlord. Using this, I dodged a Mirror Force. Seeing what advantage I had left, even if I hadn't dodged Mirror Force, I probably would've made it game the next turn. Also apparent in the third duel is that Spells and Trap removal does not apply to Gishki like it does in other decks, like pendulum decks. I'm only running spell cards that don't require a set, and three traps: Torrential Tribute, Vanity's Emptiness, and the Spiritual Water Art card.

 

 

 

As far as I know, Gishkis are pretty cheap, too. What do you guys think? Do you think they could be meta?

 

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[Hello my name is Enguin]

I don't get it.

 

Disregarding the tag duel momentarily, in those duels of just you and Gishkis, you faced Igknights, Harpies, 52-card random, Chaos Hieratics, and Gravekeepers, none of which are of any tier. If you're going to make a thread posing the question of if a deck can be meta and then present victories over non-tier decks as the only support for the claim you're not going to get any kind of traction.

 

That tag duel is a separate matter altogether, you didn't out any of the CDIs yourself, your tag partner Santa Claws'd and Lava Golem'd his way over them each and every time. Additionally everyone was drawing 2 cards for the draw phase which makes it arguably less valid because you're gaining access to double the amount of cards you regularly would on each turn which is obviously going to boost any plays you may make.

 

You have posited theoretical uses for the cards shown against meta match-ups but not actually shown it happening which undermines the point. How exactly would Gishkis be able to actually compete with Pepe, or Infernoids, or Kozmos, or Monarchs? The sample duels provided wouldn't suggest they can if those are the level of decks you'd to take footage from facing.

 

Oh and the use of Clear World, what? You pay 500 for the privilege of discarding at the end phase, which you didn't once use to trigger an effect that I can recall. Why on earth are you running that?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

hehe Kraken at 2 in OCG :O

[BlackBeartic]

A little off topic but...

Why draw 2 per draw phase? Seems a little sketchy to me..

 

I'll just go and say that Gishki are the best BALANCED ritual deck. (Although they're probably better than Neks now ironically)

[Blake]

A little off topic but...

Why draw 2 per draw phase? Seems a little sketchy to me..

 

I'll just go and say that Gishki are the best BALANCED ritual deck. (Although they're probably better than Neks now ironically)

no they are not balanced, they are less balanced than nekroz ever were barring the Djinn.

 

Gishki are a degenerate deck that finds a way to resurface for a moment every so often. They're not good, but they're most certainly less balanced, as they give up some consistency in exchange for a fuckton of power and one of the loopiest spells in the game, not to mention pseudo-to-regular FTKs.

[Althemia]

I'll just go and say that Gishki are the best BALANCED ritual deck. (Although they're probably better than Neks now ironically)

idk man they don't seem overly balanced given they were responsible for not only a consistent first turn handloop to leave your opponent with no cards in hand, but an ftk because of how stupid mind augus is. If anything they're incredibly poor balance wise because those kind of decks win on the first turn and they're hellllllllllla stupid. X:

 

Also those videos mean nothing tbh, playing against Tier 3+ decks with the only real one being Harpies and with them being in tag duels with seemingly custom rules just completely invalidates the point of this thread. I could go ahead and win locals with Fire Fist if everyone was playing randy stuff, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Fire Fist are "something seriously needing to be considered."

[BlackBeartic]

no they are not balanced, they are less balanced than nekroz ever were barring the Djinn.

 

Gishki are a degenerate deck that finds a way to resurface for a moment every so often. They're not good, but they're most certainly less balanced, as they give up some consistency in exchange for a f***ton of power and one of the loopiest spells in the game, not to mention pseudo-to-regular FTKs.

I actually forgot what full power gishki was like...

Well.... idek what else to say then.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Well empirical evidence stands to be more valuable than Theory-Oh

 

Kraken at 2. Nothing foul has been created yet. 

[Aerion Brightflame]

Well empirical evidence stands to be more valuable than Theory-Oh

 

Kraken at 2. Nothing foul has been created yet. 

 Aren't some of the consitency pieces still limited?

 

Since the thing that made Gustkraken loop stupid was that it was really consitent. Like technically the deck only needed 1 copy of Kraken to go off irrc since you'd just loop one copy via M7. 

 

Like even if they aren't good right now, there are still one of the more stupid archetypes in the games history, given it created 3 entirely different FTK/OTK plays that were all viable at some point or another. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 Aren't some of the consitency pieces still limited?

 

Since the thing that made Gustkraken loop stupid was that it was really consitent. Like technically the deck only needed 1 copy of Kraken to go off irrc since you'd just loop one copy via M7. 

 

Like even if they aren't good right now, there are still one of the more stupid archetypes in the games history, given it created 3 entirely different FTK/OTK plays that were all viable at some point or another. 

Nope, Kraken at 2. Agnus at 3. M7 at 3. I guess you could say ODOP is limited, but that's not vital. I mean sure, but stein gave OTK's too, and the card is trash now, power creep m8

[IQuitDolphin]

Zielgigas Turbo was pretty fun while it was a thing; that was pretty much the only exposure to Gishki I really ever had.