"VIDEOGAMES ARE AMAZING AND FUN, THE CULTURE WAR IS MISERABLE AND BORING"

[Halubaris Maphotika]

http://supernerdland.com/videogames-amazing-fun-culture-war-miserable-boring/

 

What an amazing article, even though it kind of took a sh*t on me. I deserve it though. I injected just as much politics in gaming as many of GGs worst.This article is something for both GG and aGG to acknowledge, this was never about f*cking video games, they were just bait. This article is so well written. Can't say that enough.

 

To be clear, I didn't leave GG because I felt they were bad. I left because I felt it had no place anymore. Journalist sites started implementing new disclosure policies, there was no reason to exist anymore. Even then, we stopped going on the offensive and tried too hard to keep our PR in tact. After Internet Aristocrat exited the movement, it all went down and that's the truth.

 

Gamergate is a shadow of what it used to be. KiA is full of spineless morons concerned with maintaining an image rather than actually doing something, we don't have nearly the man power we used to have, now it's full of /v/ shills who spend their time looking for excuses as to WHY GG ain't what it used to be when they only have themselves to blame for it. The only thing worth following in GG anymore is Milo, and that's just to see what sort of trolly brilliance he comes up with next. Not to mention we now have this stupid schism between KiA and GGRevolt, which has got to be the biggest unnecessary conflict of the Century. Voat's KiA is about as worthless as an empty cow, it only really contains the worst of GG. Glory days are gone, and its time KiA took a long hard look and saw it. They won't though, they're too busy writing emails to dev's.

 

F*ck all of this. We used to actually get stuff done. I am so disappointed and disillusioned with this who freaking thing at this point. And this writer is right. This culture war just brought out the worst in people and it didn't have to. We should have never kicked InternetAristocrat out of GG, we should of never allowed the movement to get hijacked by a bunch of whiny /v/ users, and we damn sure should of stopped the movement as soon as Escapist turned tail and left us behind.

 

/endrant

[VCR_CAT]

I used to participate in comment stuff re: these kind of issues, but I never really took a side. My point of view was that we just needed to stop fueling the witch-burnings and instead encourage the companies and games that were doing things that we liked to see and agree with, because even negative press is still giving attention to anything you don't want to happen. By instead just encouraging those we agreed with regards to progressive values (more female protagonists, etc.) then the naysayers are just going to stop due to being ignored and the industry will see an eventual shift towards more equal representation, which in and of itself is not a bad thing. Would people get annoyed at seeing press for these kinds of games? Maybe, but if the game was legitimately good it shouldn't matter, and you wouldn't even really need to bring politics into matters.

 

There's a video regarding the whole Phil Fish fiasco that talks about how press has enormous sway over the public opinion on subjects such as this or that. I cite it a lot, not because it directly relates to anything regarding feminism or "Ethics in Game Journalism", but because it talks about how (and this isn't a particular problem with Games Journalism; this is a problem with all journalism) the controversial and the negative will attract more views; and regarding Phil Fish, it was a lot of "Nobody wants to see 'Hey, he did this and that was pretty cool!' It was a lot of 'Phil Fish is a dick and here's why!'" Overall it just leads to a much more negative environment for everyone and only so little gets accomplished amidst the segregation, arguments, insults, etc. that it makes me wonder if any of this was worth it.

 

Overall, I wonder what would have happened if instead of all the witch hunts we decided to encourage other studios and those who were doing it right. Instead of "These guys are awful because X!" we went "Hey, check these guys out! They're doing Y!"

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I used to participate in comment stuff re: these kind of issues, but I never really took a side. My point of view was that we just needed to stop fueling the witch-burnings and instead encourage the companies and games that were doing things that we liked to see and agree with, because even negative press is still giving attention to anything you don't want to happen. By instead just encouraging those we agreed with regards to progressive values (more female protagonists, etc.) then the naysayers are just going to stop due to being ignored and the industry will see an eventual shift towards more equal representation, which in and of itself is not a bad thing. Would people get annoyed at seeing press for these kinds of games? Maybe, but if the game was legitimately good it shouldn't matter, and you wouldn't even really need to bring politics into matters.

 

There's a video regarding the whole Phil Fish fiasco that talks about how press has enormous sway over the public opinion on subjects such as this or that. I cite it a lot, not because it directly relates to anything regarding feminism or "Ethics in Game Journalism", but because it talks about how (and this isn't a particular problem with Games Journalism; this is a problem with all journalism) the controversial and the negative will attract more views; and regarding Phil Fish, it was a lot of "Nobody wants to see 'Hey, he did this and that was pretty cool!' It was a lot of 'Phil Fish is a dick and here's why!'" Overall it just leads to a much more negative environment for everyone and only so little gets accomplished amidst the segregation, arguments, insults, etc. that it makes me wonder if any of this was worth it.

 

Overall, I wonder what would have happened if instead of all the witch hunts we decided to encourage other studios and those who were doing it right. Instead of "These guys are awful because X!" we went "Hey, check these guys out! They're doing Y!"

I agree to a point. If your going to encourage them, it is certainly better than just criticizing what you don't like. I disagree with reviews of games that only give high reviews because these games cater to their progressive tastes. When the review is about the ideology more than the game, I stand against it. I don't care about representation in anything entertainment related. I don't think its anything that conceivably matters and I can't fathom the ungodly amounts of time wasted in arguing how important it is. Nevertheless, it is not a bad thing if more come in to entertainment without being shoved in our throats because it's "Progressive". Nobody makes an entire review praising a game because it has "Conservative" values, because its ridiculous an unnecessary. Same should be applied with Progressivism.

[epicmemesbro]

I noticed that the majority of gamers didn't know what gamergate was at the time and those that opposed it where trying to make it look like a "culture war". I remember this article by one that didn't want to walk on the same street as some guys with a Halo and COD shirt because she felt that they were going to interrogate her over her views on gamergate. People like that were making things look more scandalous and instilling panic in the gaming community. Much like the article stated about the campus 1 in 5 rape scare.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I noticed that the majority of gamers didn't know what gamergate was at the time and those that opposed it where trying to make it look like a "culture war". I remember thus article by one that didn't want to walk on the same street as some guys with a Halo and COD shirt because she felt that they were going to interrogate her over her views on gamergate. People like that were making things look more scandalous and instilling panic in the gaming community. Much like the article stated about the campus 1 in 5 rape scare.

That was such a stupid post by Felicia Day.

 

"Gamurs er scurry waaaaaaaagggghhhH!"

[Tentacruel]

GamerGate is stupid and has always been a waste of time.  

 

That being said, people who think gamers are "dangerous" are delusional.  Sarkesian and her ilk are parasites who do not give a funk what happens to the industry. 

[.Rai]

if that's how you guys read the felicia day post, you probably missed the whole point but okay that's fine kek

 

Both sides of GamerGate have been an utter disaster since the inception of the 'debate'. The tone of your post makes me think you thought there was some worth at the beginning: there was never any worth in any of this. Once again, as with every time this debacle is brought up on this website, funk GamerGate.

[Tentacruel]

if that's how you guys read the felicia day post, you probably missed the whole point but okay that's fine kek

 

Mind elaborating?  From what I remember it was just that she was genuinely afraid of someone wearing a CoD t-shirt or something.  I could be forgetting something. 

[.Rai]

Mind elaborating?  From what I remember it was just that she was genuinely afraid of someone wearing a CoD t-shirt or something.  I could be forgetting something.

 

http://thisfeliciaday.tumblr.com/post/100700417809/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-about-gamer-gate

 

Half the post is basically saying that crossing the road is a completely irrational response. That gaming is far greater than a dumb movement like GamerGate. She definitely wrote the post at a point where I'd genuinely say GamerGate was scandalous, as Deadpool117 puts it, with all the doxxing and death threats and sheet. She recognises that that represents the worst of the movement, but that it represents a small fraction of the movement.

 

Of course, it gave fuel to those opposing GamerGate, which is arguably just as irritating. The whole view of the post came from someone from neither side, per say, but clearly someone in a position within the spotlight that any one move is fuel for one of the sides. I'm not going to diminish her feelings if that's what she feels, as I'm simply not in her position.