CDDRodrigo Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 For Koa'ki Meiru Guardian, you cannot activate its effect if its been destroyed by battle. For Doomcaliber Knight, you can because you must. It will Tribute itself even if already destroyed by the battle. ...WTF. The monster was destroyed in battle. How can it tribute itself. Too weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I remember I made the same question some months ago, after an already dead Knight took my Urquizas with him in WC11... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 So it's true. Doomcaliber inexplicably has the ability to Tribute itself when it's dead, purely because it absolutely must. A player cannot willingly or deliberately Tribute a monster that's dead otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 The new OCG for Darkworld confuses me even more. Does it gain the last effect regardless of how it's discarded for what? "If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, target 1 Fiend-Type monster on the field; Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, then that target (if any) gains 500 ATK." Or is this how the effect works:discardedIf this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, target 1 Fiend-Type monster on the field; Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, then that target (if any) gains 500 ATK.discarded by oppIf this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: If it was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect, target 1 Fiend-Type monster on the field; Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, then that target (if any) gains 500 ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Here's how it works. "When this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: " - This is the Trigger. It is the minimum requirement for the effect to activate. This effect starts a chain. "If this card was discarded by an opponent's card effect, target 1 Fiend-Type monster on the Field; " - This is the secondary effect of Latinum. It only applies if the opponent discarded it, and it targets. "Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, and the target (if any) gains 500 ATK" - This is the resolution. You will Special Summon it regardless of who discarded it (because the basic Trigger was just to be discarded by a card effect), but if it targeted something (which it will only do if the opponent discarded it), it also gives that target +500. The reason it's worded like that is because of the system of how colon and semi-colon relate to actions when activating and resolving the effect. Up until the colon is the Trigger, before the semi-colon are actions taken before resolution, and after that is the resolution. However, Dark Worlds only use their secondary effect if an ADDITIONAL factor occurred, that being the opponent's effect discarding it. Because Latinum's secondary effect targets, it MUST be written before a semi-colon. But it only targets if the secondary effect is Triggered. Now, if you look at Sillva and Grapha, you may notice they're not written weirdly at all. That's because their secondary effects affect the hand, and you can't target the hand. tl;dr - If it was your own effect discarding it, ignore the part before the semi-colon. The rest of the effect will still resolve fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantasy Dreamz Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Here's how it works. "When this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: " - This is the Trigger. It is the minimum requirement for the effect to activate. This effect starts a chain. "If this card was discarded by an opponent's card effect, target 1 Fiend-Type monster on the Field; " - This is the secondary effect of Latinum. It only applies if the opponent discarded it, and it targets. "Special Summon this card from the Graveyard, and the target (if any) gains 500 ATK" - This is the resolution. You will Special Summon it regardless of who discarded it (because the basic Trigger was just to be discarded by a card effect), but if it targeted something (which it will only do if the opponent discarded it), it also gives that target +500. The reason it's worded like that is because of the system of how colon and semi-colon relate to actions when activating and resolving the effect. Up until the colon is the Trigger, before the semi-colon are actions taken before resolution, and after that is the resolution. However, Dark Worlds only use their secondary effect if an ADDITIONAL factor occurred, that being the opponent's effect discarding it. Because Latinum's secondary effect targets, it MUST be written before a semi-colon. But it only targets if the secondary effect is Triggered. Now, if you look at Sillva and Grapha, you may notice they're not written weirdly at all. That's because their secondary effects affect the hand, and you can't target the hand. tl;dr - If it was your own effect discarding it, ignore the part before the semi-colon. The rest of the effect will still resolve fine. The wording is still a bit confusing. It's just less of a confusion now. So it's still close to what I posted up right? Discard by effect, activate the last effect which is the SS ignoring the additional effect. Discard by opp, activate all the effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I tribute 3 Holy Markers, which have mandatory effects, for Ra. Do they go off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MibeR Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Scenario: Activate Future Visions, Normal Summon Barbaros. Did next turn Barbaros ATK 1900 or 3000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Scenario: Activate Future Visions, Normal Summon Barbaros. Did next turn Barbaros ATK 1900 or 3000? 3k beater woooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Scenario: Activate Future Visions, Normal Summon Barbaros. Did next turn Barbaros ATK 1900 or 3000? 3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greiga Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 30003k beater woooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MibeR Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Oh smexy baby, Yes. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I tribute 3 Holy Markers, which have mandatory effects, for Ra. Do they go off? No. They will try to activate when Ra has been successfully Summoned, just like Sangan or Dandylion. But because of Ra's Effect regarding Effects at that timing, they cannot activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm looking at the new card Night Shot that's coming out soon, and I have a potentially stupid question. Say I use Pot of Duality and get Night Shot with it. Is there a way my opponent could activate a card before I get to activate Night Shot on one of their set spells/traps? Could they chain the resolution of Duality or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 That's a good question. Although I believe they can play a card like that if the timing of the card is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm looking at the new card Night Shot that's coming out soon, and I have a potentially stupid question. Say I use Pot of Duality and get Night Shot with it. Is there a way my opponent could activate a card before I get to activate Night Shot on one of their set spells/traps? Could they chain the resolution of Duality or something? They can start a new chain immediately after you add it to your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Black Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 They can start a new chain immediately after you add it to your hand. thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 After a card effect resolves, you retain priority as Turn Player to activate a Spell Speed 2 effect or higher (or a Trigger Effect). If you don't, the opponent may activate a Spell Speed 2 effect. If they don't, you regain priority to use Spell Speed 1 effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 @Evil Fusion: Now I have a reason for a theoretical card question to be asked here; if you don't mind... Solidified Toadlevel: 1WaterAqua/TunerLore:If you have 1 original (printed) type or 1 Attribute monster in your Graveyard; This card gains 100 ATK/DEF for each card with Same-Type.ATK/DEF 0/0 So, if I had no cards in the graveyard; that would make it remain at 0; right? 2nd: Would thi be abused by Solidarity? Reasons I ask is b/c of Duel Portal and I would have been in the tourney but Sea didn't recieve the notification I mailed him back.....oh well, it can always wait for dueling in tourney... It is probably obvious, but jus want to make sure.... ------- Unrelated: How on earth did your opponent get to 500000 Life Points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Firstly, your OCG bugs me. The line before a semi-colon is a cost/action taken before resolution. Also, that means it starts a chain, but it doesn't have a Trigger. It looks like it's just supposed to be a Continuous Effect, which uses neither a colon nor a semi-colon. As with Solidarity, if you have no monsters, it will not gain any ATK. If you don't have only one Type, you don't gain ATK. Yes, if you have only Aqua Type monsters in the Graveyard and a Solidarity active, this will gain ATK for every Aqua in Grave, plus 800 from Solidarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 @Evil Fusion: Meh, sorry; its meant to be a continous monster effect, Hmm, How would I fix the ocg? And so, should I say its unnafect by Solidarity so it would not be abused? I believe I just editied soldiartiy effect on to this card.... ---- Unrelated: But how on earth did your opponent get to 500,000 life points in your epic duel log? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Semi Colon becomes comma.That's it And his duel log is a 500k duel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master White Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 @Evil Fusion: Thanks@Above: Thanks Apparently the new OCG keeps confusing me a lot; Ugh I get it almost right, then fail.......ugh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Condition: Cost; Effect If it is a continuous effect or condition, do not use the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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