Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It's kind of silly that Geartown says "Tribute Summon" when it can also be a Normal Summon. I guess they were too lazy to come up with a way to write the text in a way that made sense and just added a ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 It's kind of silly that Geartown says "Tribute Summon" when it can also be a Normal Summon. I guess they were too lazy to come up with a way to write the text in a way that made sense and just added a ruling.the card does say "than required" so 1 less than required would be none, so it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 To define it as a "Tribute Summon", at least one Tribute must be offered. You can Normal Summon Ancient Gear Beast without Tribute with Geartown, but it was not considered Tribute Summoned for the effects of cards that need Tribute Summoning to occur/apply, such as Advance. Rather, it was Normal Summoned without Tribute (as Geartown reduced the number of Tributes needed from 1 to 0). It should probably be worded "You can Normal Summon 'Ancient Gear' monsters with 1 less Tribute than required" (or something). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 To define it as a "Tribute Summon", at least one Tribute must be offered. You can Normal Summon Ancient Gear Beast without Tribute with Geartown, but it was not considered Tribute Summoned for the effects of cards that need Tribute Summoning to occur/apply, such as Advance. Rather, it was Normal Summoned without Tribute (as Geartown reduced the number of Tributes needed from 1 to 0). It should probably be worded "You can Normal Summon 'Ancient Gear' monsters with 1 less Tribute than required" (or something).SO IF IT NEEDS NO TRIBUTE SUMMON I CAN SPECIAL SUMMON A MONSTER FROM THE GRAVEYARD /isbeingbad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 If they go Magician then Shark, and I chain Mind Crush on Shark, do they get Magician's effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 SO IF IT NEEDS NO TRIBUTE SUMMON I CAN SPECIAL SUMMON A MONSTER FROM THE GRAVEYARD /isbeingbadI would concider this spam... but anyways, it makes more sense to write it "Normal Summon" however that might confuse the children and we can't have that in our adult children's card games! If they go Magician then Shark, and I chain Mind Crush on Shark, do they get Magician's effect?I think you gotta be more specific, what magician and what shark are we talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I would concider this spam... but anyways, it makes more sense to write it "Normal Summon" however that might confuse the children and we can't have that in our adult children's card games! I think you gotta be more specific, what magician and what shark are we talking about here? Dark Magician and Metabo Shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Dark Magician and Metabo Shark. You trolling? Since Wind-Up Shark starts a chain, you can chain Mind Crush and call Wind-Up Shark. Then you're opponent would have to discard that copy and reveal their hand so that you can verify that their are no more copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 You trolling? Since Wind-Up Shark starts a chain, you can chain Mind Crush and call Wind-Up Shark. Then you're opponent would have to discard that copy and reveal their hand so that you can verify that their are no more copies. Yes but I'm asking whether the effect would still trigger Magician? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yes but I'm asking whether the effect would still trigger Magician?Either I'm totaly confused about this or you're giving me the wrong cards, Magician doesn't have an effect, what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Either I'm totaly confused about this or you're giving me the wrong cards, Magician doesn't have an effect, what do you mean? Everyone knows Dark Magician has an effect, they don't need to write it on the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Everyone knows Dark Magician has an effect, they don't need to write it on the card.Okay you're trolling me now, I won't try to help you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yes but I'm asking whether the effect would still trigger Magician? Yes it does. Shark is a trigger effect, so he technically activates which in turn activates Magician. He just doesn't get to hit the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Okay you're trolling me now, I won't try to help you... If you don't know what Magician + Shark is I don't want your help. EDIT: Yeah, I thought so, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazubat Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 If you don't know what Magician + Shark is I don't want your help. EDIT: Yeah, I thought so, thanks.well thanks you did not need to say that AT ALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 If you don't know what Magician + Shark is I don't want your help. EDIT: Yeah, I thought so, thanks.As long as a Wind-Up monster effect resolves, Magician will activate. Even though Shark isn't in the hand, its effect still resolves without consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 How about if they have Rabbit + Magician and I TT, he chains Rabbit, does Magician resolve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 I have a question. I was dueling blackwings and the guy Icarus attack'd my lightpulsar and my Red-Eyes. He said that lightpulsar misses the timing, and this probably cost me the duel. Was he right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 No, of course not. Where did he get that idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 How about if they have Rabbit + Magician and I TT, he chains Rabbit, does Magician resolve?Magician activates at the resolution of the chain involving Rabbit's effect. Since it's no longer on the field at that time due to Torrential Tribute, it will not activate. I have a question. I was dueling blackwings and the guy Icarus attack'd my lightpulsar and my Red-Eyes. He said that lightpulsar misses the timing, and this probably cost me the duel. Was he right?The last thing that'd happen would be LPD and REDMD getting destroyed. Since LPD getting destroyed was the last thing to happen, LPD's effect activates. No, it does not miss the timing just because more than one card was destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 No, of course not. Where did he get that idea? It's DN, nuff said. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 As long as a Wind-Up monster effect activates, Magician will activate. Even though Shark isn't in the hand, its effect still resolves without consequence.Fixed.The Wind-Up's effect does not have to resolve. You can negate the effect through Veiler and Skill Drain and Magician will still trigger because it activated.Now if the activation was negated that's where Magician won't activate going by Shi En + Shien logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Fixed.The Wind-Up's effect does not have to resolve. You can negate the effect through Veiler and Skill Drain and Magician will still trigger because it activated.Now if the activation was negated that's where Magician won't activate going by Shi En + Shien logic.Meh, I always just considered the effects will Veiler and Skill Drain to resolve with negated effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Okay I'v a bit of a possibly complicated question. Lets say me or my opp. activates Rivalry of Warlords. Once we destroy the other monster types we control until we only have one type and I activate DNA Surgery and I call a monster type that doesn't exist currently on the field, what happens? Do we destroy the monsters we control because they don't match what they were before DNA Surgery was activated or do they stay? In addition with whatever the answer is for the above question, would the Same apply to Gozen Match with DNA Transplant? One last thing, If I have Rivalry of Warlords, can I not Synchro, XYZ, tribute or SS a monster that does not match the monster type I control much like I can't for Gozen Match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 One last thing, If I have Rivalry of Warlords, can I not Synchro, XYZ, tribute or SS a monster that does not match the monster type I control much like I can't for Gozen Match?I can answer this one. And you cannot. Not even if you're removing all of one type for another (not Synchro summoning Scrap Dragon with Chimera and Beast) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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