[Written] Altergeist support card

[Rade3]

So Altergeists are pretty slow archtype, and lack of super boss monsters, so this will make archtype rly strong.

Altergeist recycling ground

Spell-field

All "Altergeist" monsters gain 300 atk. Every time "Altergeist" card is sent to the graveyard (expect "Altergeist token"), special summon 1 "Altergeist token" (spellcaster/dark/lvl1/atk 0/ def 0).

This card can't be returned to hand by effect off "Altergeist Silquitous"

[TOPsycho]

Not to hate on your card or anything, but a few things:

 

1. What are the stats of the Token? Is it Dark, Fire, Lv2, you have to specify these things.

 

2. Why can't it be returned by Silquitous? As far as the deck goes, being able to return a spell and reactivate it to bounce a card is really no different than returning a Kunquery to resummons for protection or resetting an extra copy of Protocol.

 

3. Why a Token? I'm an avid Altergeist player and have found that they are a very strong recovery and resource-intensive deck. They have a direct attack, ways to counter, Kunquery, but I can't see the point of a Token. It can't be used with Protocol, Silquitous, or Marionetter because the costs, and the only thing I can think of is that they're Link fodder. If so, it might make sense to make another monster that can recover itself instead.

 

Once again, these are just my thoughts, I'm not saying the card is bad, I just would like to know your thoughts behind it

[Rade3]

Not to hate on your card or anything, but a few things:

 

1. What are the stats of the Token? Is it Dark, Fire, Lv2, you have to specify these things.

 

2. Why can't it be returned by Silquitous? As far as the deck goes, being able to return a spell and reactivate it to bounce a card is really no different than returning a Kunquery to resummons for protection or resetting an extra copy of Protocol.

 

3. Why a Token? I'm an avid Altergeist player and have found that they are a very strong recovery and resource-intensive deck. They have a direct attack, ways to counter, Kunquery, but I can't see the point of a Token. It can't be used with Protocol, Silquitous, or Marionetter because the costs, and the only thing I can think of is that they're Link fodder. If so, it might make sense to make another monster that can recover itself instead.

 

Once again, these are just my thoughts, I'm not saying the card is bad, I just would like to know your thoughts behind it

I mean altergeist is cool archtype, but they are slow, you nearly never summon primebanshe, if we are talking about Silquitous,because its speli card he (Silquitous) would be able to return your opponent's entire board to his hand, and still have field spell on field. I edited it,so token now have stats

[Lystern]

The concept itself is not bad, but you have several grammatical and logical errors on your card.

 

1) Tokens doesn't help to this archetype. They're just fodder for Link Summons and Primebanshee.

2) Due to Silquitous' effect, all other Altergeist cards should be return to your hand for a cost.

3) The archetype itself already has a powerful boss card(s).(Primebanshee-Hextia)

4) Altergeists works better with Trap cards, so maybe you should make a counter trap for them.

[Rade3]

The concept itself is not bad, but you have several grammatical and logical errors on your card.

 

1) Tokens doesn't help to this archetype. They're just fodder for Link Summons and Primebanshee.

2) Due to Silquitous' effect, all other Altergeist cards should be return to your hand for a cost.

3) The archetype itself already has a powerful boss card(s).(Primebanshee-Hextia)

4) Altergeists works better with Trap cards, so maybe you should make a counter trap for them.

My idea was to add field spell card (this can also be something like countinous trap card, but it would be less powerfull)because it could be also added with Terraforming, tokens swarming is good because:

-If you active Altergeist Protocol, you can tribute token, or if you tribute monster you will summon token.

-It synergies with marionetter because you can send token to graveyard, or if you send monster to graveyard it will also summon token.

-I didn't mean Hextia and Primebanshee are weak, but Primebanshee have only 2100 atk, its pretty low for boss monster, Hextia have alone 1500 atk, they are also hard to summon.

-Primebanshee is also Tributing altergeist monsters to summon others so, you can tribute token, or if you tribute monster you will also summon a Token.

[TOPsycho]

My idea was to add field spell card (this can also be something like countinous trap card, but it would be less powerfull)because it could be also added with Terraforming, tokens swarming is good because:

-If you active Altergeist Protocol, you can tribute token, or if you tribute monster you will summon token.

-It synergies with marionetter because you can send token to graveyard, or if you send monster to graveyard it will also summon token.

-I didn't mean Hextia and Primebanshee are weak, but Primebanshee have only 2100 atk, its pretty low for boss monster, Hextia have alone 1500 atk, they are also hard to summon.

-Primebanshee is also Tributing altergeist monsters to summon others so, you can tribute token, or if you tribute monster you will also summon a Token.

 

I understand what you're saying, but you cannot use the Tokens for this case. To activate Protocol or Silquitous, the card you send/return must go to the destination before the effect can apply. Tokens cannot exist in the hand or field, so they cannot be properly used as costs for the effects. The same applies to Marionetter. Heck, just reading her text proves it. You send the card to the GY, ​and if you do​, which doesn't happen because Tokens can't be in the grave, so you can't summon.

 

Aside from that, Tokens would help with the Links, but only the Links. I do think a Field Spell would be great, but Tokens aren't really the way to go. Sorry man

 

Quick Edit: if you used an Altergiest for any effect (Marionetter, Primebanshee, Protocol), those monsters are not being destroyed. They are going to the graveyard, but they are not technically destroyed, so the Field spell wouldn't give a Token

[Rade3]

I understand what you're saying, but you cannot use the Tokens for this case. To activate Protocol or Silquitous, the card you send/return must go to the destination before the effect can apply. Tokens cannot exist in the hand or field, so they cannot be properly used as costs for the effects. The same applies to Marionetter. Heck, just reading her text proves it. You send the card to the GY, ​and if you do​, which doesn't happen because Tokens can't be in the grave, so you can't summon.

 

Aside from that, Tokens would help with the Links, but only the Links. I do think a Field Spell would be great, but Tokens aren't really the way to go. Sorry man

 

Quick Edit: if you used an Altergiest for any effect (Marionetter, Primebanshee, Protocol), those monsters are not being destroyed. They are going to the graveyard, but they are not technically destroyed, so the Field spell wouldn't give a Token

So you mean it would be better "if monster is sent to the graveyard" then "if monster is destroyed"?

[TOPsycho]

That would fix the case for using the actual monsters yeah.

[Rade3]

That would fix the case for using the actual monsters yeah.

Thanks, i will edit it.

[TOPsycho]

Also, Rade3, what I said about the Silquitous not being able to return the Token to the hand isn't just some effect. It's a game rule you don't need to have that effect on the Field Spell. The cost of Silquitous is to return a monster to the hand. Tokens disappear whenever they would leave the field so it cannot return to the hand, so it can't meet the cost.

 

It's like using Dimensional Fissure and Effect Veiler. While Dimensional Fissure is on the field, any monster sent to the GY is banished. So if you use Veiler's effect to negate your opponent's monster, because sending it to the GY is part of the cost, the effect will not resolve properly. This is because when you would send it to the GY, it's banished by Dimensional Fissure and never really goes ​to​ the GY, so it didn't meet the cost.

 

The same thing applies here. The Token never really returns to the hand, so you never really met the cost. If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them.