THIS list is really better than all other lists.

[Guest Star]

Volcanic Queen is a horrible card.

[CrabHelmet]

Good to see the lucksack cards going but still no blowback or barrel?

 

Even with Luck-Is-Not-A-Cost' date=' those two aren't banworthy. After all, would you ban Zaborg?

 

Volcanic Queen is a horrible card.

 

Cup of Ace is a horrible card.

[JesusofChaos™]

I still think that all cards that involve luck should be banned, zaborg requires some level of skill to be played, with blowback dragon its snipe hunter with different luck, barrel dragon is borderline

[CrabHelmet]

I still think that all cards that involve luck should be banned' date=' zaborg requires some level of skill to be played, with blowback dragon its snipe hunter with different luck, barrel dragon is borderline

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Blowback Dragon and Barrel Dragon kill one card; Snipe Hunter kills the entire field.

 

Just because a card involves luck doesn't mean it's banworthy; one just needs to bear in mind that luck is not a cost, and should assume for argument's sake that a duelist gets the favorable condition every time it is used.

 

For example, THE FOOL involves luck, but nobody in their right might would want to ban him.

[Sander]

Volcanic Queen is a horrible card.

 

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[tonisanoob]

tonisanoob Wrote:

if your going to limit, trade in and other such thngs

 

then you also have to limit d draw and all other draw cards liek it

 

otherwise those decks gain much more speed than others

 

LOLWUT? That's like saying that, if I'm going to ban Judgment Dragoon, I should also ban Mega Ton Magical Cannon, since both nuke the opponent's field.

 

 

 

 

well actually no its nothing liek saying that, your asking for a slower more skillful meta

 

but all the 2 for 2 drawing type cards should be either limited or banned, otherwise the decks with the onesyou didnt ban will become faster than other decks thus becoming unfair, thus becoming a case of ooh that decks faster so lets use that, if your going to ban one ban them all

[CrabHelmet]

if your going to limit' date=' trade in and other such thngs

 

then you also have to limit d draw and all other draw cards liek it

 

otherwise those decks gain much more speed than others[/quote']

 

LOLWUT? That's like saying that, if I'm going to ban Judgment Dragoon, I should also ban Mega Ton Magical Cannon, since both nuke the opponent's field.

 

well actually no its nothing liek saying that, your asking for a slower more skillful meta

 

but all the 2 for 2 drawing type cards should be either limited or banned, otherwise the decks with the onesyou didnt ban will become faster than other decks thus becoming unfair, thus becoming a case of ooh that decks faster so lets use that, if your going to ban one ban them all

 

That's like saying we should ban Book of Life because otherwise Zombies will have more recursion than other types of decks, which is unfair.

 

All decks are not created equal. Just because multiple themes have similar support cards doesn't mean that those support cards have similar worth or should be treated the same.

 

The format needed less speed, and Allure and Trade-In are by far the most versatile, splashable, and abusable draw cards.

 

Or were you worried that Rare Value would turn Crystal Beasts into a broken turbo deck?

 

UPDATES -

 

BRAIN CONTROL - BANNED

 

TRAP DUSTSHOOT - LIMITED

 

SOLEMN JUDGMENT - LIMITED

[Guest Star]

>_>

 

You banned Solemn Judgment?

 

Prove it's bad for the game at 3 but good for the game at 1.

[CrabHelmet]

>_>

 

You banned Solemn Judgment?

 

No. I didn't.

 

Prove it's bad for the game at 3 but good for the game at 1.

 

Simple: It is.

 

>_> If you want a better explanation, it's too much at 3, but promotes caution at 1.

 

Also, we've been running into a wall on the insect turbo deck, but Justice47 is now helping us both on that and on the list, so it should be done in a week or so.

[Guest Star]

Ok, I like how Solemn Judgment is at 1 and Dark Bribe is at 3.

[CrabHelmet]

Ok' date=' I like how Solemn Judgment is at 1 and Dark Bribe is at 3.

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I'm going to assume that that's sarcasm and respond by saying that Solemn Judgment is far better than Dark Bribe, which is a -1 and doesn't stop summons.

[tonisanoob]

i see where your coming from

 

but then shurly you must see where im coming from?

 

the revival of zombies is nothing compared to the speed of 6s or d heros

[Guest PikaPerson01]

[CrabHelmet]

i see where your coming from

 

but then shurly you must see where im coming from?

 

the revival of zombies is nothing compared to the speed of 6s or d heros

 

Six Samurai aren't a threat - indeed, their draw engine isn't great, such that most Six Samurai decks only run 2 United - and D-Heroes aren't broken now that Disk Commander is gone.

[tonisanoob]

hmm i suppose that is a point =/

 

also yhea breaker?

[Axiom_Nor]

Crab: This is an amazing list.

 

now i want to run Insect Turbo.

 

lol

 

Awesome idea!

[CrabHelmet]

hmm i suppose that is a point =/

 

also yhea breaker?

 

Breaker isn't banworthy, especially considering that he can't claim priority - more significant than ever in a 3-Torrential format - and as with MST, nothing about him makes him better at 1 than at 3.

 

Consider that his Monarch analogue, Mobius, sees no play, whereas the Monarch analogue of Exiled Force was always used up until Caius came up and said HAI GUYZ I R TEH POWAH KREEP - and Exiled Force has the advantage of Warrior support and searchability.

 

Also consider that, with 3 MST, 3 Scapegoat, 3 Ojama Trio, 3 Book of Moon, and so on, this is already a format that is very heavy on chainables, and with more s/t destruction available in the form of 3 MST, the chance of Breaker being broken (u c wut i did thar?) is zero.

[Gravitize Me Cap'n!]

8/10.

 

I. Forbidden Cards

 

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

 

...

 

RING OF DESTRUCTION

 

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 1:1 removal in trap form (Smashing Ground, Soul Taker, Hammer Shot etc are all faster), will never be any higher than +0, plays in a 3 MST environment, etc. Burn damage is irrelevent just as Soul Taker's heal is irrelevent.

[JesusofChaos™]

i personally feel that solemn judgment is fine at 3, with 3 mst and 3 breaker non-chainables are going to be under threat. Im not just saying this cause i run counter fairies =)

[Gravitize Me Cap'n!]

Solemn Judgment is chainable.

[JesusofChaos™]

^yea but you wouldnt chain to mst/breaker if they are targetting the solemn

[Celestine]

I think that people should stop merely speculating on this list and giving their points of view and that some should try to setup a 8-man tourny using this list to see how well this list would play out.

[CrabHelmet]

i personally feel that solemn judgment is fine at 3' date=' with 3 mst and 3 breaker non-chainables are going to be under threat. Im not just saying this cause i run counter fairies =)

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Then the people who would be planning on using Solemn would set a second card, a chainable, as a decoy. Either the opponent uses MST/Breaker on that card, wasting their effect, or they try to target Solemn, after which you chain the OTHER card. If the opponent chains something to that, Solemn.

 

Also, how many people would run all 3 MST and all 3 Breaker?

 

I think that people should stop merely speculating on this list and giving their points of view and that some should try to setup a 8-man tourny using this list to see how well this list would play out.

 

No tourney gets past Round 1.

[JesusofChaos™]

Well my YVD 9 and Mantis is up and running maybe i shall make a tourney and test this list out

Just a note crab you have brain control banned and on the no longer limited list

[CrabHelmet]

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

UPDATE:

 

CHAOS SORCERER - UNLIMITED

 

SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT - UNLIMITED

 

RESCUE CAT - LIMITED

 

I predict a massive outcry from bad players.