CrabHelmet Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Let's see if YCM can do any better. Go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 price came down that's nice...IMO u cant really talk about banning or limiting this without also justifying whether or not (and why or why not) your are banning/limiting/semi limiting/restricting or not trade in and ddraw. the one draw 2 card that i dont feel should be touched is common charity...its slower...its for normals... i was fine with it at 3...it was the RFG targets that were the problem IMO most notably zerato, jinzo and DMoC zerato needs to be touched, jinzo is fine, DMoC is fine, and this is a HUGE can of worms cuz you cant talk about it without bringing up RFG and the way it used in this meta and the subject of overpowered or balanced DARK targets and their status on the ban list guess what.... YCM is doing fine so far on this one oh and thanks for posting the card cuz none of us would have known wth you were talking about >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allows you to draw cards at little cost. Should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 So far, YCM hasn't done any better than Pojo on this subject. Somebody, help poor little HFC. (This post was made before FlameDragon posted.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 why dont u contribute something crab? a monkey can post a pic of allure and say discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 why dont u contribute something crab? a monkey can post a pic of allure and say discuss... The purpose of this topic is to evaluate YCM while YCM evaluates a card. This has already been established, and if you were fluent in the English language, you would already have realized this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allows you to draw cards at little cost. Should be banned. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Dont ban Allure of Darkness. Its bad enough that it was semi limited but now they have to ban it. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 allure is fine...it was broke with d fusion FTK's GBs and lightsworn dont use it would your contention be that it should be banned now because of future zombie decks or due to the brokeness of cup of ace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allows you to draw cards at little cost. Should be banned. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Dont ban Allure of Darkness. Its bad enough that it was semi limited but now they have to ban it. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.Why shouldn't it be banned? It generates advantage with out any work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allows you to draw cards at little cost. Should be banned. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Dont ban Allure of Darkness. Its bad enough that it was semi limited but now they have to ban it. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.Why shouldn't it be banned? It generates advantage with out any work. Actually no, at the most basic level, it does not. -1, +2, -1 = 0. It does, however, set the player up for many different possible plays and it does also give you access to a larger portion of your deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allure is not fine at 2. Allure is fine at 0. Not 1. Not 2. Not 3. 0. Remove DMoC, Activate DDR or Return. Game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 allure is fine...it was broke with d fusion FTK's GBs and lightsworn dont use it would your contention be that it should be banned now because of future zombie decks or due to the brokeness of cup of ace? It has already been established that I am not going to be advocating either side in this discussion. I explained this to you in my last post. Read less badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 would your contention be that it should be banned now because of future zombie decks or due to the brokeness of cup of ace? Lol. Cup of Ace is broken? Ever heard of Time Wizard? Does Cup of Ace give more advantage than Time Wizard can? Cup of Ace is either a -3 or a +1.Time Wizard is either a -1 or a +1, 2, 3, 4, or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allows you to draw cards at little cost. Should be banned. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Dont ban Allure of Darkness. Its bad enough that it was semi limited but now they have to ban it. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.Why shouldn't it be banned? It generates advantage with out any work.Actually no' date=' at the most basic level, it does not. -1, +2, -1 = 0.[/b'] It does, however, set the player up for many different possible plays and it does also give you access to a larger portion of your deck.But we aren't taking about the most basic level. Monster Reborn is a 0 at the most basic level, but that still generates advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 ]would your contention be that it should be banned now because of future zombie decks or due to the brokeness of cup of ace? Lol. Cup of Ace is broken? Ever heard of Time Wizard? Does Cup of Ace give more advantage than Time Wizard can? Cup of Ace is either a -3 or a +1.Time Wizard is either a -1 or a +1' date=' 2, 3, 4, or 5.[/quote'] some of the YCMers are quite the "ban cup of ace advocates"...and i was sort of talking to crab..but its apparent he will simply be chiming in from time to time with a flame um and im sorry u think its gg whenever your opponent summons their DMoC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 ]would your contention be that it should be banned now because of future zombie decks or due to the brokeness of cup of ace? Lol. Cup of Ace is broken? Ever heard of Time Wizard? Does Cup of Ace give more advantage than Time Wizard can? Cup of Ace is either a -3 or a +1.Time Wizard is either a -1 or a +1' date=' 2, 3, 4, or 5.[/quote'] some of the YCMers are quite the "ban cup of ace advocates"...and i was sort of talking to crab..but its apparent he will simply be chiming in from time to time with a flame um and im sorry u think its gg whenever your opponent summons their DMoC... when is it not GG if your opponent returns DMoC with other monsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 you didnt say "other monsters" you said RFG DMoC and DDR or RFTDD for gg...you didnt say RFG DMOC and DLZ and Jinzo... and BTH, solemn (cuz when u say "other monsters" you mean obv RFTDD was used), waboku, roar, rainbow life, a timely cold wave, a herak and others are all good here...im sure i dont need to explain every counter for RFTDD...i mean it already got limited... but are u saying DMoC is broke? or allure is? or jinzo? or RFTDD? or DDR? lol im not following... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Okay, who activates Return on their turn when they can't win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 It doesnt deserve banning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 since i didn't discussed this, i'll see... allure seems to be broken, but it's because the most broken deck uses it as a draw boost, allure it's just a +0 with the chance of removing a monster, the problem is not allure, it's DMoC that is the most abusable monster with this one... semilimiting allure was plain stupid, lol konami/ude... allure at 3 is fine, ban DMoC... EDIT: hotfoilcard, i pity you man... you're keeping saying pointless arguments... go back to myTCGplayer, where is full of dumb players like those who worship you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 since i didn't discussed this' date=' i'll see... allure seems to be broken, but it's because the most broken deck uses it as a draw boost, allure it's just a +0 with the chance of removing a monster, the problem is not allure, it's DMoC that is the most abusable monster with this one... semilimiting allure was plain stupid, lol konami/ude... allure at 3 is fine, ban DMoC... EDIT: hotfoilcard, i pity you man... you're keeping saying pointless arguments... go back to myTCGplayer, where is full of dumb players like those who worship you...[/quote'] your so right venom discussing DMoC and DARKS with allure is pointless discussing the way we use RFG in this meta is pointless discussing other draw 2 cards such as ddraw, trade in, and common charity is pointless good call dont waste your pity on me venom...save it for those starving children of Branjelina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 DMoC is abusable with a lot of cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Allure of Darkness is waaaaaaaaaay too broken. It's basicly a Common Charity in Dark and Spell form.Even with Dimension Fusion being banned, the player of this card can still bring the monster that is removed from play back with RftDD or EftDD.And don't forget if the player didn't Summon this turn, they can still activate this card to remove a Dark Monster that isn't usefull in the current situation from their hand to draw 2 cards, with the posibbility to draw a stronger monster. The cost is barely situanional in the first place. Trade-in and D-Draw atleast have a situational cost, forcing you to run a specific theme, unless you run Diamond Dude, but not everybody uses him. Allure of Darkness just says "FEED ME A GODDAMN DARK MONSTER", meaning that not only D-Heroes, but also alot of other DARK monsters can be removed from play just to give you 2 free cards from the top of your deck. Thanks to this card, Dark Armed Dragon was top tier, because it doesn't get in the way of DAD, because the discarded card from your hand is removed from play, so that your graveyard isn't filled up to fast with Dark Monsters, and players were able to Summon all those removed monsters from play with the Dimension Fusion that is now banned. Don't get me even started with DMoC. The card itself is already extremely abusable. Thanks to Allure of Darkness, DMoC is even more broken than it should be. TL;DR: Allure of Darkness deserves a banhammer. No Semi-LimitNo LimitJust the banhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Ban it already. I'm sick of seeing cheap cards like this land an OTK just like that. Ban it, or at least put it at 1. EDIT: The cost is barely situanional in the first place. Trade-in and D-Draw atleast have a situational cost' date=' forcing you to run Level 8 monster or Destiny Heroes, unless you run Diamond Dude, but not everybody uses him. Allure of Darkness just says "FEED ME A GODDAMN DARK MONSTER", meaning that not only D-Heroes, but also alot of other DARK monsters can be removed from play just to give you 2 free cards from the top of your deck.[/quote'] Exactly. So if you ran high-level D-Hero you get 3 Draw cards right off the bat. Also, ban DMoC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 ]Allure is not fine at 2. Allure is fine at 0. Not 1. Not 2. Not 3. 0. Remove DMoC' date=' Activate DDR or Return. Game.[/quote'] Comparing ban worthy cards to non ban worthy cards. Fails. Allure was fine where it was at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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