The USSR. A Thought Sharing Discussion.

[Static]

A nation I have more respect for than the one I currently reside in.

 

The Soviet Union got things done. Stalin may have been a bit out of his mind, but the fact that he held all of the power had all delays on political action removed.

 

Everyone who lived in the Soviet Union had jobs if they were able to work.

 

The system was based on the most intellectual genius' of political philosophy. Writings of Marx and Lenin, which promoted equality between workers, an elimination of the classes, equal and mandatory education for everyone for the success of the nation, and a passion for the Red, a revolutionary feeling for change among the workers. To hang a flag under the adorned unification of the people, who would live and be treated as equals is perhaps the greatest of all revolutionary movements, and the most powerful.

 

Stalin may not have been too interested in the elimination of the classes, but no man is perfect. The system would have functioned if Stalin's single totalitarian power been given up after it was no longer needed to keep the country running. It is a near perfect system, failing only when an outside source messes with its function, or when a leader doesn't do it right. The action's of Lenin and Stalin were justified, Utopian society could have existed if Stalin has less cupidity and the United States wasn't as ignorant as it was (and still is) to anything other than its belief in firm free market democratic bullsh*t.

 

"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. "

 

~ Vladimir Lenin

 

"Let us evolve from the failure that is Capital society. Let us drop the bonds of economy, the chains of classism, and the hatred bred from difference." - I

 

Forever Red. Forever Patient. The times are changing, and a new age is upon us. An age where intellectual logic rather than blind faith, shall be the common virtue of the people. We are the New World Order, a group of youthful minds and educated revolutionaries. The capitalist economies of Democracy shall hang on the noose of ignorance, unable to change their policies until it is too late. China's power and influence in the economy is on the rise, and it won't be long until the US regime shall have played out its role as the world's super power. We will be there, waiting vigilantly, for the time to create change, awaiting the time to make a revolution. We live only one life, why should anyone live it by a system which puts them down? Man should stand up for itself, represent each other as equals, rather than put others down for the good of themselves. It is time that this blasphemy is removed, and equality between men, function of society, and establishment of truth, is established.

 

With all the love I have,

 

I wrote this on May 7, 2008 on another forum. I just felt like sharing this.

 

Discussion may happenz.

[Tkill93]

I'd say that the USSR was a jolly good try. It's beginnings were an inspiring example, and it may have been going somewhere. However, after Lenin's death, all it was really good for was destroying the Nazis, getting into space, standing up to the US, and providing aid to any developing country that felt like calling itself socialist. All very commendable, but not necessarily a good guide for building communism. Basically, I think it showed that a socialist revolution could succeed, at least in the short term. Also, it inspired others to become socialist, leading to greater advances for the movement. It also helped to protect these advances by countering the US's actions and protecting (some, not all) revolutions from outside invasion and enforced counter-revolution.

 

But from a socialist perspective, probably the biggest institutional criticism I have was that the General Secretary had the immense power that he did through selection of candidates for the Central Committee. This led to Stalin's centralization of power, to Khrushchev's solidification of power in the attempted coup of 1957, and to Gorbachev's buildup of support in the mid-to-late 1980s. Obviously, the outcome of one person wielding this massive power got progressively worse as time went on, allowing for whatever Stalinist excesses are out there, for an opportunist like Khrushchev to solidify his position over other, perhaps more loyal and effective communists that happened to disagree with his position on Stalin (for one thing), and for a social democrat idealist like Gorbachev to take over the CPSU and to work to dismantle it from the inside.

[Static]

I'd say that the USSR was a jolly good try. It's beginnings were an inspiring example' date=' and it may have been going somewhere. However, after Lenin's death, all it was really good for was destroying the Nazis, getting into space, standing up to the US, and providing aid to any developing country that felt like calling itself socialist. All very commendable, but not necessarily a good guide for building communism. Basically, I think it showed that a socialist revolution could succeed, at least in the short term. Also, it inspired others to become socialist, leading to greater advances for the movement. It also helped to protect these advances by countering the US's actions and protecting (some, not all) revolutions from outside invasion and enforced counter-revolution.

 

But from a socialist perspective, probably the biggest institutional criticism I have was that the General Secretary had the immense power that he did through selection of candidates for the Central Committee. This led to Stalin's centralization of power, to Khrushchev's solidification of power in the attempted coup of 1957, and to Gorbachev's buildup of support in the mid-to-late 1980s. Obviously, the outcome of one person wielding this massive power got progressively worse as time went on, allowing for whatever Stalinist excesses are out there, for an opportunist like Khrushchev to solidify his position over other, perhaps more loyal and effective communists that happened to disagree with his position on Stalin (for one thing), and for a social democrat idealist like Gorbachev to take over the CPSU and to work to dismantle it from the inside.

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The problem is that the men who followed Stalin were not Stalin. They did not share the same goal, and thus, caused it to crumble down.

 

Ideally, the goal of such a government would make sense, and be shared among all of the people, and be for the people.

 

It is unfortunate that only a few good men (Lenin) could have ever pulled this off, the rest are too greedy.

 

"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. "

 

~ Vladimir Lenin

 

If we all thought the same way... Imagine.

[Tkill93]

If we all thought the same way... Imagine.

It would indeed be a great thing. ( Great being an understatement )

[Willieh]

Democracy>Communism

 

Democracy is a much harsher form of government. It teaches us to live with our mistakes; if we elect the wrong leader tough sheet. That's what I love about it. Communism is too easy on the community, and it's way too...well my feelings are hard to explain.

 

I dont think that all people should be treated equally. If they were the world wouldn't be interesting. There would be no conflict. And you know that we all like watching other people's conflicts and sins.

 

That's the reason soap operas are so popular.

[Static]

If we all thought the same way... Imagine.

It would indeed be a great thing. ( Great being an understatement )

 

Gotta love Lennon.

 

Anyone else have anything to add? I would be sad if you didn't :'(

[Tkill93]

I'm not sure where to start, there are so many good things to say. It doesn't look like we'll be too many replies to this thread to discuss either. At first I thought there would be many hate replies because most of the people I've met have right off the bat associated USSR with the most evil thing ever. :/

 

 

And this is a good read: Paul Robenson - To You Beloved Comrade

 

A tribute to Joseph Stalin upon Stalin's death.

[Prince Poison]

In theory communism is the best. But in practice....

I know this because the country I live in used to be led by communists. Many died because they said that they didn't like the way they were leading the country. No one was allowed to go on another country, if anyone would do so then their family would be put in prison or worse....

There was also the example of a famous singer who had lng hair because he had a damaged ear and had to hide it wih hair, but the communists sent him to prison for 25 YEARS, why? Only because he had long hair...

My father's uncle was sent in prison for 10 years only for saying that they didn't have enough to eat.

Humans will never be equal that is why communism will not work.

[Static]

It is because the USSR assumed that free will exists, and kept the idea of crime and punishment in existence. There were still right and wrongs in their society. The idea of proper Communism would involve ELIMINATING all that does not function perfectly with the system that works for the equality of the people.

 

The USSR had a lot of silly regulations, of course hair length and Skin color make no difference, its the individuals that see problems with it that are the problems, and they are what should go. F-ck western morality that states that people make their society. No, once a social order that holds all persons* in it at equal reverence is created and established, it is the society that should make the people. In other words, the prideful, the peitous, and the ignorant would be removed to achieve perfection in those who are worthy of it. Oh, and euthanasia would be implemented.

 

*Must be inbetween the ages of 0-70 to be considered a person.

[speznats]

i was born in the former soviet union but communism is a little before my time.Basically Communism is hypocritical because it says they give power to the working class but really all it doing is all the smart rich people were moved up in to a new ruling class>wile propaganda is being spread round the country the ruling class is pulling strings from behind the scenes.

 

you people don't really under stand what go's on in real communism.

Your being idealistic in a perfect world maybe but in this one it will never work

[Benraino]

In theory communism is the best. But in practice....

Humans will never be equal that is why communism will not work.

 

Quoted for Truth.

[Jerry OldMaster]

In Holland, many people are racists. Imagine me being called my entire school life a fat communist Neutral

Or "Former Soviet"

Nothing wrong about the wording. I AM a fat communist.

Just the way they say it is a bit.... annoying..

Now, I was born in Ukraine and NEVER set a single step in Russia. Now, I am officially a Dutch citizen and yet I have to hear the whole day about how much Russia sucks. Note, RUSSIA. Not Ukraine or something.

Same with Germany btw. Why, I don't know, but every other person in Holland speaks about "muffs" all the time.

I just can't get WHY. At all. Russia was always a far greater country than Holland was, even during the Golden Age. Germany, too.

Both had very respectful and successful (at first) progress, something other people should OBEY. Not the otherwise.

 

I fully support the USSR and I respect their deeds as nothing else.

[Prince Poison]

You guys don't really know what comunism is. You have never tried it, never lived with it...

You only know it in theory. There is nothing good about it.

[Static]

Pfft. This is what I get for being a player hater.

 

Alright, for those of you too ignorant to see that the government should tell the people what's good if the government knows whats good, you will never see an ideal government. Once we create an Atheized society where everyones life is systematically lived, more like robots, and the people accept that what is true is what they are taught, with no knowledge of things that exist in today's society that should not in the future, that is when we will reach idealism.

 

You say Communism cannot work off the paper, let me share a story over 4000 years old with you. When the Jews crossed the Red Sea, they wandered around the desert for 40 years. Why? Because the people who escaped from Egypt were slaves, mentally, and God said that they could not return to Israel, and that all of them who left Egypt over the age of 20 had to die without ever stepping foot in the land.

 

This is essentially how Communism will work, we need to destroy the population, and reeducate the youth so they can be taught how to function under a society without god, without memory of god, to trust their government, to not know of Alcohol, to not eat other beings, to not use fossil fuels, and to live as equals with each others. Government regulated money, their system becomes the people's system. Their mentally becomes the people's mentality, their desires, keeping a functioning society, the goal of both man and their leaders.

 

"A society that sees Society as a variant depending on the people cannot hold together as well a society that sees People the part that has to adapt to Society." ~

[Prince Poison]

Pfft. This is what I get for being a player hater.

 

Alright' date=' for those of you too ignorant to see that the government should tell the people what's good if the government knows whats good, you will never see an ideal government. Once we create an Atheized society where everyones life is systematically lived, more like robots, and the people accept that what is true is what they are taught, with no knowledge of things that exist in today's society that should not in the future, that is when we will reach idealism.

 

You say Communism cannot work off the paper, let me share a story over 4000 years old with you. When the Jews crossed the Red Sea, they wandered around the desert for 40 years. Why? Because the people who escaped from Egypt were slaves, mentally, and God said that they could not return to Israel, and that all of them who left Egypt over the age of 20 had to die without ever stepping foot in the land.

 

This is essentially how Communism will work, we need to destroy the population, and reeducate the youth so they can be taught how to function under a society without god, without memory of god, to trust their government, to not know of Alcohol, to not eat other beings, to not use fossil fuels, and to live as equals with each others. Government regulated money, their system becomes the people's system. Their mentally becomes the people's mentality, their desires, keeping a functioning society, the goal of both man and their leaders.

 

"A society that sees Society as a variant depending on the people cannot hold together as well a society that sees People the part that has to adapt to Society." ~

[/quote']

 

Have you lived in a communist country?

No.

You only know how it would work in theory. Well let me say you this, Communism will never work in practice because the main idea of communism is that everybody must be equal. You cannot make everybody rich, can you? You can more easily make them poor. But yet again not everybody will be poor, the leaders of the country will be rich because no person comunist or not will chose to be poor when they can be rich. Now you see how communism fails in practice? In it's main idea communism cannot work.

As I stated before:

People have never been, are not and never will be equal.

[Static]

Pfft. This is what I get for being a player hater.

 

Alright' date=' for those of you too ignorant to see that the government should tell the people what's good if the government knows whats good, you will never see an ideal government. Once we create an Atheized society where everyones life is systematically lived, more like robots, and the people accept that what is true is what they are taught, with no knowledge of things that exist in today's society that should not in the future, that is when we will reach idealism.

 

You say Communism cannot work off the paper, let me share a story over 4000 years old with you. When the Jews crossed the Red Sea, they wandered around the desert for 40 years. Why? Because the people who escaped from Egypt were slaves, mentally, and God said that they could not return to Israel, and that all of them who left Egypt over the age of 20 had to die without ever stepping foot in the land.

 

This is essentially how Communism will work, we need to destroy the population, and reeducate the youth so they can be taught how to function under a society without god, without memory of god, to trust their government, to not know of Alcohol, to not eat other beings, to not use fossil fuels, and to live as equals with each others. Government regulated money, their system becomes the people's system. Their mentally becomes the people's mentality, their desires, keeping a functioning society, the goal of both man and their leaders.

 

"A society that sees Society as a variant depending on the people cannot hold together as well a society that sees People the part that has to adapt to Society." ~

[/quote']

 

Have you lived in a communist country?

No.

You only know how it would work in theory. Well let me say you this, Communism will never work in practice because the main idea of communism is that everybody must be equal. You cannot make everybody rich, can you? You can more easily make them poor. But yet again not everybody will be poor, the leaders of the country will be rich because no person comunist or not will chose to be poor when they can be rich. Now you see how communism fails in practice? In it's main idea communism cannot work.

As I stated before:

People have never been, are not and never will be equal.

 

You failed to understand what I am saying.

 

You assume that an economy is necessary for a Society to function, that people cannot be without greed, and that human lives cannot be sacrificed for the cause. Capitalist mentality causes you to believe that things must be bought by other people. If the government owned all things, all companies that created and distributed goods, and money was rationed rather than paid, then essentially an economy would not exist.

 

Now, when you look at a Laptop, you say that it is more valuable than the meal you just purchased from KFC. In an ideal society, we would not see the value of objects, rather, we would obtain them based on how useful they are to us and our specific jobs. Wealth does not exist, and it is this concept that the world must understand. Gold has no real value, it is just a shiny metal, and our paper money system is just as bad. Value is subjective, and it is the job of the government to tell the people what the value of anything is. There would be no idea of poor or rich, there would just be normal, and any variant of that would show that something has been done wrong.

 

You assume that the leaders would be greedy. Let me start by saying that this "greed" is something that can be forced out of existence from someone if they are raised in a society where value, economy, and success are not obtained through.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

 

Ideally, everyone would be ^, except on both the philosophic/moral level as well as on the idea of physical values.

 

As to remove the capitalist mentality, kill as many as need to die to fix that problem. Every sacrificed life would be worth making those who can function equals.

[Mr. Best Male 2008]

I belive Eli won.

[Jerry OldMaster]

You guys don't really know what comunism is.

 

Sure we don't. But we do know about communism ;)

 

Good analysis, Eli. I actually got deeper into it thanks to you.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Uhh, didn't they butcher the royal family and take over violently and be all nasty N have tons o' crymes n stuff?

 

I respect their hockey team, and their language is cool, and I have nothing against the residents, but I have something against Vlad's policies and support Kasparov in giving him hell. Don't mess with mega chess grandmasters.

[Prince Poison]

Pfft. This is what I get for being a player hater.

 

Alright' date=' for those of you too ignorant to see that the government should tell the people what's good if the government knows whats good, you will never see an ideal government. Once we create an Atheized society where everyones life is systematically lived, more like robots, and the people accept that what is true is what they are taught, with no knowledge of things that exist in today's society that should not in the future, that is when we will reach idealism.

 

You say Communism cannot work off the paper, let me share a story over 4000 years old with you. When the Jews crossed the Red Sea, they wandered around the desert for 40 years. Why? Because the people who escaped from Egypt were slaves, mentally, and God said that they could not return to Israel, and that all of them who left Egypt over the age of 20 had to die without ever stepping foot in the land.

 

This is essentially how Communism will work, we need to destroy the population, and reeducate the youth so they can be taught how to function under a society without god, without memory of god, to trust their government, to not know of Alcohol, to not eat other beings, to not use fossil fuels, and to live as equals with each others. Government regulated money, their system becomes the people's system. Their mentally becomes the people's mentality, their desires, keeping a functioning society, the goal of both man and their leaders.

 

"A society that sees Society as a variant depending on the people cannot hold together as well a society that sees People the part that has to adapt to Society." ~

[/quote']

 

Have you lived in a communist country?

No.

You only know how it would work in theory. Well let me say you this, Communism will never work in practice because the main idea of communism is that everybody must be equal. You cannot make everybody rich, can you? You can more easily make them poor. But yet again not everybody will be poor, the leaders of the country will be rich because no person comunist or not will chose to be poor when they can be rich. Now you see how communism fails in practice? In it's main idea communism cannot work.

As I stated before:

People have never been, are not and never will be equal.

 

You failed to understand what I am saying.

 

You assume that an economy is necessary for a Society to function, that people cannot be without greed, and that human lives cannot be sacrificed for the cause. Capitalist mentality causes you to believe that things must be bought by other people. If the government owned all things, all companies that created and distributed goods, and money was rationed rather than paid, then essentially an economy would not exist.

 

Now, when you look at a Laptop, you say that it is more valuable than the meal you just purchased from KFC. In an ideal society, we would not see the value of objects, rather, we would obtain them based on how useful they are to us and our specific jobs. Wealth does not exist, and it is this concept that the world must understand. Gold has no real value, it is just a shiny metal, and our paper money system is just as bad. Value is subjective, and it is the job of the government to tell the people what the value of anything is. There would be no idea of poor or rich, there would just be normal, and any variant of that would show that something has been done wrong.

 

You assume that the leaders would be greedy. Let me start by saying that this "greed" is something that can be forced out of existence from someone if they are raised in a society where value, economy, and success are not obtained through.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

 

Ideally, everyone would be ^, except on both the philosophic/moral level as well as on the idea of physical values.

 

As to remove the capitalist mentality, kill as many as need to die to fix that problem. Every sacrificed life would be worth making those who can function equals.

You say that if the goverment would owned all the companies everything would be fine. Well let me tell you this. NO. Let us take an example of this situation. The goverment owns all the companies and gives the same amount of food to every citizen. But different people eat different amount of food. For example a 30 year old male who is ill and needs to eat more food than usual and a normal 30 years old male. The first male needs more food to live but the goverment gives the same amount of food not more or less. Then that ill person will die won't he?

You also say that people would take an object only if it is valuable for them for their job? Then if it would be so I wouldn't have this computer and I wouldn't be writing this now would I? Because I don't have a job and even if I'd have one I had to have a job that had to do with computers or not?

If there would be no prfit of being the leader of the goverment why would one take that role since everybody on the society is equal and taking htat role would not make any change in his life for good but only for bad. If he/she wouldn't have any proffit then he/she could only live as a normal citizen. Thus none would take the position as leaders of the goverment. This explains why in practice communism will not work.

[Willieh]

Pfft. This is what I get for being a player hater.

 

Alright' date=' for those of you too ignorant to see that the government should tell the people what's good if the government knows whats good, you will never see an ideal government. Once we create an Atheized society where everyones life is systematically lived, more like robots, and the people accept that what is true is what they are taught, with no knowledge of things that exist in today's society that should not in the future, that is when we will reach idealism.

 

You say Communism cannot work off the paper, let me share a story over 4000 years old with you. When the Jews crossed the Red Sea, they wandered around the desert for 40 years. Why? Because the people who escaped from Egypt were slaves, mentally, and God said that they could not return to Israel, and that all of them who left Egypt over the age of 20 had to die without ever stepping foot in the land.

 

This is essentially how Communism will work, we need to destroy the population, and reeducate the youth so they can be taught how to function under a society without god, without memory of god, to trust their government, to not know of Alcohol, to not eat other beings, to not use fossil fuels, and to live as equals with each others. Government regulated money, their system becomes the people's system. Their mentally becomes the people's mentality, their desires, keeping a functioning society, the goal of both man and their leaders.

 

"A society that sees Society as a variant depending on the people cannot hold together as well a society that sees People the part that has to adapt to Society." ~

[/quote']

 

Have you lived in a communist country?

No.

You only know how it would work in theory. Well let me say you this, Communism will never work in practice because the main idea of communism is that everybody must be equal. You cannot make everybody rich, can you? You can more easily make them poor. But yet again not everybody will be poor, the leaders of the country will be rich because no person comunist or not will chose to be poor when they can be rich. Now you see how communism fails in practice? In it's main idea communism cannot work.

As I stated before:

People have never been, are not and never will be equal.

 

You failed to understand what I am saying.

 

You assume that an economy is necessary for a Society to function, that people cannot be without greed, and that human lives cannot be sacrificed for the cause. Capitalist mentality causes you to believe that things must be bought by other people. If the government owned all things, all companies that created and distributed goods, and money was rationed rather than paid, then essentially an economy would not exist.

 

Now, when you look at a Laptop, you say that it is more valuable than the meal you just purchased from KFC. In an ideal society, we would not see the value of objects, rather, we would obtain them based on how useful they are to us and our specific jobs. Wealth does not exist, and it is this concept that the world must understand. Gold has no real value, it is just a shiny metal, and our paper money system is just as bad. Value is subjective, and it is the job of the government to tell the people what the value of anything is. There would be no idea of poor or rich, there would just be normal, and any variant of that would show that something has been done wrong.

 

You assume that the leaders would be greedy. Let me start by saying that this "greed" is something that can be forced out of existence from someone if they are raised in a society where value, economy, and success are not obtained through.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

 

Ideally, everyone would be ^, except on both the philosophic/moral level as well as on the idea of physical values.

 

As to remove the capitalist mentality, kill as many as need to die to fix that problem. Every sacrificed life would be worth making those who can function equals.

You say that if the goverment would owned all the companies everything would be fine. Well let me tell you this. NO. Let us take an example of this situation. The goverment owns all the companies and gives the same amount of food to every citizen. But different people eat different amount of food. For example a 30 year old male who is ill and needs to eat more food than usual and a normal 30 years old male. The first male needs more food to live but the goverment gives the same amount of food not more or less. Then that ill person will die won't he?

You also say that people would take an object only if it is valuable for them for their job? Then if it would be so I wouldn't have this computer and I wouldn't be writing this now would I? Because I don't have a job and even if I'd have one I had to have a job that had to do with computers or not?

If there would be no prfit of being the leader of the goverment why would one take that role since everybody on the society is equal and taking htat role would not make any change in his life for good but only for bad. If he/she wouldn't have any proffit then he/she could only live as a normal citizen. Thus none would take the position as leaders of the goverment. This explains why in practice communism will not work.

 

Really I agree with you on this argument; but shooting that at Static was pointless. He really doesn't care who dies as long as it's for the greater purpose of the economy or the people. :|

[Prince Poison]

well he would care if that happened to him

[HelioSpark]

The USSR was, a good attempt at the perfect society. Attempt. However, after a while Communism becomes sloppy, allowing people to bend its guidelines to fit their own needs. It is human nature to thirst for power, and thus IMO communism can never be succesfully executed. The breakup of the USSR was inevtable.

[Static]

Pfft. This is what I get for being a player hater.

 

Alright' date=' for those of you too ignorant to see that the government should tell the people what's good if the government knows whats good, you will never see an ideal government. Once we create an Atheized society where everyones life is systematically lived, more like robots, and the people accept that what is true is what they are taught, with no knowledge of things that exist in today's society that should not in the future, that is when we will reach idealism.

 

You say Communism cannot work off the paper, let me share a story over 4000 years old with you. When the Jews crossed the Red Sea, they wandered around the desert for 40 years. Why? Because the people who escaped from Egypt were slaves, mentally, and God said that they could not return to Israel, and that all of them who left Egypt over the age of 20 had to die without ever stepping foot in the land.

 

This is essentially how Communism will work, we need to destroy the population, and reeducate the youth so they can be taught how to function under a society without god, without memory of god, to trust their government, to not know of Alcohol, to not eat other beings, to not use fossil fuels, and to live as equals with each others. Government regulated money, their system becomes the people's system. Their mentally becomes the people's mentality, their desires, keeping a functioning society, the goal of both man and their leaders.

 

"A society that sees Society as a variant depending on the people cannot hold together as well a society that sees People the part that has to adapt to Society." ~

[/quote']

 

Have you lived in a communist country?

No.

You only know how it would work in theory. Well let me say you this, Communism will never work in practice because the main idea of communism is that everybody must be equal. You cannot make everybody rich, can you? You can more easily make them poor. But yet again not everybody will be poor, the leaders of the country will be rich because no person comunist or not will chose to be poor when they can be rich. Now you see how communism fails in practice? In it's main idea communism cannot work.

As I stated before:

People have never been, are not and never will be equal.

 

You failed to understand what I am saying.

 

You assume that an economy is necessary for a Society to function, that people cannot be without greed, and that human lives cannot be sacrificed for the cause. Capitalist mentality causes you to believe that things must be bought by other people. If the government owned all things, all companies that created and distributed goods, and money was rationed rather than paid, then essentially an economy would not exist.

 

Now, when you look at a Laptop, you say that it is more valuable than the meal you just purchased from KFC. In an ideal society, we would not see the value of objects, rather, we would obtain them based on how useful they are to us and our specific jobs. Wealth does not exist, and it is this concept that the world must understand. Gold has no real value, it is just a shiny metal, and our paper money system is just as bad. Value is subjective, and it is the job of the government to tell the people what the value of anything is. There would be no idea of poor or rich, there would just be normal, and any variant of that would show that something has been done wrong.

 

You assume that the leaders would be greedy. Let me start by saying that this "greed" is something that can be forced out of existence from someone if they are raised in a society where value, economy, and success are not obtained through.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

 

Ideally, everyone would be ^, except on both the philosophic/moral level as well as on the idea of physical values.

 

As to remove the capitalist mentality, kill as many as need to die to fix that problem. Every sacrificed life would be worth making those who can function equals.

You say that if the goverment would owned all the companies everything would be fine. Well let me tell you this. NO. Let us take an example of this situation. The goverment owns all the companies and gives the same amount of food to every citizen. But different people eat different amount of food. For example a 30 year old male who is ill and needs to eat more food than usual and a normal 30 years old male. The first male needs more food to live but the goverment gives the same amount of food not more or less. Then that ill person will die won't he?

You also say that people would take an object only if it is valuable for them for their job? Then if it would be so I wouldn't have this computer and I wouldn't be writing this now would I? Because I don't have a job and even if I'd have one I had to have a job that had to do with computers or not?

If there would be no prfit of being the leader of the goverment why would one take that role since everybody on the society is equal and taking htat role would not make any change in his life for good but only for bad. If he/she wouldn't have any proffit then he/she could only live as a normal citizen. Thus none would take the position as leaders of the goverment. This explains why in practice communism will not work.

 

1. Handicapped people would not exist in a perfect society. If by ill, you mean someone who is sick, then obviously there would be a change so that they can get back to normality. I think that saying we can remove sickness is impossible, so I will throw an exception in there.

 

2. The question is, who wouldn't want to lead? Leading doesn't involve physical labor, just a lot of planning and directing, something that some people are good at. Some people like to fish, some like to write, but a few select individuals like to lead.

 

3. By "for their job," I am implying that possession would not exist. The government would technically own all things, as so that it cannot be claimed that the people own things themselves. Ideally, people would be given what they need to live contently and if they are not selfish, happily, and any other convenience, such as a "better laptop" would not be given to an individual for convenience, but rather to make society more efficient.

 

@ Wombat: The first half I agree with. The last two sentences however I disagree with. Human nature is largely influenced by environment; thus creating an environment, a new world order, that would not have capital influence would create a less greedy society. Humans who live(d) in Israeli Kibbutz were, and this is from second hand word of mouth say, in summarized form: far less greedy and prideful.

 

Concerning the other sentence: The USA was just as likely to fall, the primary problem with the USSR was the leadership after Stalin's death and not accumulating China when they were extending their "Sphere Of Influence."

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The government was a win. It worked, and worked well, but its leaders just did not know how to run their own governments. =/