Guest PikaPerson01 Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 Zombie World + Book of Life/Mezuki/Il Blud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Build me a consistent deck with 3 Disk in it' date=' with a win condition, and I change my mind.[/quote']So be it.This does not use stars list, it uses the advanced format list from march 1st, except for the 3 disc. Monsters - 113x Disc1x DMoC5x Exodia Pieces2x Arma Knight Spells - 201x Reborn1x Premmy3x Upstart Goblin2x Foolish3x DWD3x Hand Destruction3x CoSR1x MSE3x Dark Eruption Traps - 93x Graceful Revival (angel lift)3x Limit Reverse3x Reckless Greed There. Yes, I agree, this is a consistent deck, though you don't really need 3 Angel Lift and 3 Limit Reverse. My only contention here is that many cards here - DMoC, Exodia (sans Normals), Reborn, Premature, CoSR - should be banned outright.Ah' date=' Tabris, you're from Pojo? That explains it. Nuuuuf and Quiff both favour keeping Disk, JD, and Gyzarus legal.[/quote'] And I'm a follower, a devotee. And, yes, they're still trumpeting these to the skies, to this very day. Why?When i saw this topic' date=' i died a little insideOn Disk: I've heard the reasoning. Just ban the generic revival, and you'll see how useless Disk becomes. Id like go back to this point Banning Multiple cards to allow 1 card to stay is a grave error. It is like banning gigaplant and the gemini fusion dragon thing just so mass driver can stay. A ban of disk commader stops people running 8 pot of greeds. Also with your reasoning stating that disk commander doesnt provide a win condition; Pot of Greed doesnt provide a win condition, unban Pot of Greed. Graceful Charity doesnt provide a win condition, unban Graceful Charity. PoG and Graceful are costless; they do not need another card for whatever effects they carry to be activated - unlike Allure, Trade-In, or Disk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Id like go back to this point Banning Multiple cards to allow 1 card to stay is a grave error. It is like banning gigaplant and the gemini fusion dragon thing just so mass driver can stay. A ban of disk commader stops people running 8 pot of greeds. Also with your reasoning stating that disk commander doesnt provide a win condition; Pot of Greed doesnt provide a win condition' date=' unban Pot of Greed. Graceful Charity doesnt provide a win condition, unban Graceful Charity.[/quote'] PoG and Graceful are costless; they do not need another card for whatever effects they carry to be activated - unlike Allure,Trade-In, or Disk. So a 2 card combo that gives you access to 3 pot of greeds shouldnt be banned and 1 card that only lets you draw 2 should? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Stop the presses. Whoever started the trend of comparing Disk with PoG? Because, if anything, the comparison fails. PoG and Graceful are topdeckable and costless; to have Disk's effect, you must activate some form of revival, with which the lollipop trio of Reborn, Premature, and CotH do effortlessly. I simply state that without the lollipop trio, any attempt to abuse Disk with a non-generic revival card (Limit Reverse, Angel Lift) will fail, simply because of the problems with consistency and lack of win condition. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Disk is still a +1 (I believe) in Hand Advantage. Thats always good. You also get a free Tribute for something good (a Monarch for example). With the current generic revival (Monster Reborn and Premature Burial) only, you still get 2 Pot of Greeds in Advanced Format which is still ridiculous. One Pot of Greed is unacceptable let alone 2. It wont matter in Advanced because Disk is more than likely gonna be banned as is Premature Burial in the next ban list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 If you have disk in the grave, it basically turns any top decked revival card into the same top deck apsect as PoG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Disk is still a +1 (I believe) in Hand Advantage. Thats always good. You also get a free Tribute for something good (a Monarch for example). With the current generic revival (Monster Reborn and Premature Burial) only' date=' you still get 2 Pot of Greeds in Advanced Format which is still ridiculous. One Pot of Greed is unacceptable let alone 2. It wont matter in Advanced because Disk is more than likely gonna be banned as is Premature Burial in the next ban list.[/quote'] Don't care about the lollipop trio. They can rot in hell for all I care; there is already enough justification for them to be banned without Disk messing things up. And I repeat: Disk is not Pot of Greed.If you have disk in the grave' date=' it basically turns any top decked revival card into the same top deck apsect as PoG.[/quote'] And what cards to abuse with it, aside from the lollipop trio? The CreatorThe Dark CreatorLimit ReverseAngel LiftLight and Darkness Dragon Of those, three require some set-up, especially The Dark Creator and LaDD. The remaining two? Angel Lift has only Disk as a non-mediocre target for revival. Limit Reverse has a lot more viable targets, sure - but what about consistency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Disk Commander is like Pot of Greed with legs when it gets revived from the Graveyard. That I believe is what we are implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Which, Goldshine, is not Pot of Greed at all. The PoG I know is utterly costless; this one has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 You dont see the point do you? You get the same Hand Advantage from Disk as you would from Pot of Greed. You also get a free tribute which I think is well worth the cost of activating Monster Reborn / Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Stop using Banworthy cards (monster reborn/ prem) in arguments. Also hand advantage isnt everything. Disk needs a ban to let zombie world be released and im sure you agree it turns book of life basically into PoG with an added removal effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Stop using Banworthy cards (monster reborn/ prem) in arguments. Also hand advantage isnt everything. Disk needs a ban to let zombie world be released and im sure you agree it turns book of life basically into PoG with an added removal effect. I do think you agree with me on the other forms of revival where Disk might come... so, to Zombie World... Ah, yes, Zombie World. Of course. Book of Life has already a lot of good targets. So, tell me, why would the Zombie player risk inconsistency for the sake of maining 3 non-Zombies that combo with a near-worthless Field Spell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 3 non zombies? They only need 1 non zombie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I am speaking of the possibility of seeing 3 Disk. But anyway, as I said, Zombies have lots of good monsters to begin with - Zombie Master, Il Blud, Mezuki, Pyramid Turtle. They also have a good draw engine in CoSR Now, pray tell, why would the Zombie player main 1 non-Zombie and thus put them at jeopardy from inconsistency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 The point is you would still get a free Tribute as well as a +1 to your hand. I have also been thinking the +1 Hand Advantage would also apply to The Creator's effect which can target anything in your Grave that can be Special Summoned from there. It would also apply to The Dark Creator which would pretty much give you a +2 Hand Advantage which is ridiculous. Removing a DARK that is useless in the Grave from play wouldnt really matter that much anyway. I think these are also good reasons for banning Disk Commander. Generic Revival isnt the only thing that can give you more Pot of Greed with Disk you know. As for the possibility of seeing a Format with Disk at 3. Look at the Atem Banlist in the Rules Thread in Your Deck (written by Crab Helmet) and you could try and build a Deck with 3 Disk Commander under that Format. Even with that List, I think Disk can still be abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I am speaking of the possibility of seeing 3 Disk. But anyway' date=' as I said, Zombies have lots of good monsters to begin with - Zombie Master, Il Blud, Mezuki, Pyramid Turtle. They also have a good draw engine in CoSR Now, pray tell, why would the Zombie player main 1 non-Zombie and thus put them at jeopardy from inconsistency?[/quote'] Some zombies already run card trooper, 1 non-zombie does not give inconsistency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 They also have a good draw engine in CoSR Now you're using banworthy cards in arguments too. Both sides of this argument need to stop doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I am speaking of the possibility of seeing 3 Disk. But anyway' date=' as I said, Zombies have lots of good monsters to begin with - Zombie Master, Il Blud, Mezuki, Pyramid Turtle. They also have a good draw engine in CoSR Now, pray tell, why would the Zombie player main 1 non-Zombie and thus put them at jeopardy from inconsistency?[/quote'] I lol'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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