jimbo9398 Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hi Guys. I so badly hate the new ban list. I understand why DMOC and Disk Commander were banned but why Premature. Cyber Dragon Limited. Dark Armed and JD semi. Why didn't they cut solemn judgment or gyzarus or Prisma or just anything which wud hinder GB's? So Unfair. By the way i am using Lightsworn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 You're probably running LS wrong. Post a deck list so I can see whats wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Did you just suggest that Solemn Judgment should be on the list? I really, really hope you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hi Guys. I so badly hate the new ban list. I understand why DMOC and Disk Commander were banned but why Premature. Cyber Dragon Limited. Dark Armed and JD semi. Why didn't they cut solemn judgment or gyzarus or Prisma or just anything which wud hinder GB's? So Unfair. By the way i am using Lightsworn. I think he did Exiro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo9398 Posted September 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 2x JD2x Ehren, LS Monk3x Honest3x Celestia, Ls angel3x Lyla LS sorceress3x Lumina LS Summoner2x Ryko LS Hunter2x Wulf LS Beast3x Jain LS Paladin2x Garoth LS Paladin1x Herald Of Creation 3x Solar Recharge1x ROTA2x Charge Of The Light Brigade1x MST1x Heavy Storm1x Brain Control1x My Body as a shield 3x Bottomless3x Solemn Judgment Side; Dunno yet My Current deckGB aren't hindered. LS and DAD are hindered. Every1 is gnna switch to GB now instead cuz they will always win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 2x JD2x Ehren' date=' LS Monk3x Honest3x Celestia, Ls angel3x Lyla LS sorceress3x Lumina LS Summoner2x Ryko LS Hunter2x Wulf LS Beast3x Jain LS Paladin2x Garoth LS Paladin1x Herald Of Creation 3x Solar Recharge1x ROTA2x Charge Of The Light Brigade1x MST1x Heavy Storm1x Brain Control1x My Body as a shield 3x Bottomless3x Solemn Judgment Side; Dunno yet My Current deck[hr']GB aren't hindered. LS and DAD are hindered. Every1 is gnna switch to GB now instead cuz they will always win. I would build this instead. Monsters: 20 2x Judgment Dragon3x Celestia, Lightsworn Angel3x Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress3x Wulf, Lightsworn Beast3x Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner2x Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter1x Ehren, Lightsworn Monk1x Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior2x Honest Spells: 13 3x Solar Recharge2x Charge of the Light Brigade (RotA is uneeded if you have this)2x Foolish Burial (excellent with Wulf)2x Monster Reincarnation1x Monster Reborn1x Heavy Storm1x Mystical Space Typhoon1x Brain Control Traps: 8 3x Solemn Judgment2x Threatening Roar2x Beckoning Light1x Torrential Tribute This is the main. LS with 41 cards is acceptable with all the milling that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo9398 Posted September 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 most forms of ls are gd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Premature- Can be used with Equip support and reusable with certain cards. Other than that, there really isn't a reason. And the first reason wasn't that good of one xP Why didn't they cut solemn judgment or gyzarus or Prisma or just anything which wud hinder GB's? Prisma is not a broken card. In many cases, he actually sucks, and he's pretty much the only okay Fusion support we have right now. And Solemn has a very hefty cost to its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Premature Burial was most likely banned because of Arms Hole and Brionac. It should stay banned because generic virtually costless revival is bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Premature is banned because of its effect.If a player can return it to the hand, he/she can use it again without having the equipped monster destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalObelisk Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I was kind of surprised when they banned Prem, but I still think Monster Reborn is even more broken. I think Solemn should be semi-limit, as it's not much of a cost when you have less than 1000 life points and can negate just about anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Premature Burial deserved to be ban it's searchable and highly reusable. It was worst than dimension fusion in the ocg, you just had to flash premature burial and rescue cat/summon priest to make your opponent scoop. Cyber Dragon with syncros and and the annoying otks with chimeratech merits his limitation. DAD and JD semi limited is just so they don't kill the game, imagine those who invested for 3 of these if their cards had lost all of it's value in mere seconds. There is a reason why they didn't touch GB and it's because they still have some money to make with the theme. Also, the suggestions you've provided as to what to hit to hinder GB are amazingly bad. Bestiari and Test Tiger are the problematic cards. You run lightsworns I don't see why you are mad with this list. If you can't beat GB with your deck it's not because the list needs to hinder GB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I was wondering why Premature was banned and not Monster Reborn. I realized that it can be re-used if it isn't destroyed per say, but that's pretty much it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Monster Reborn while free has some good for this game. Your opponent now has to think on what he puts in his grave. When monster reborn was ban you could just dump any monster in your graveyard safely (like green baboon and DMoC). This vid also shows why premature burial is ban now :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Y-mRitu1k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Monster Reborn while free has some good for this game. Your opponent now has to think on what he puts in his grave. When monster reborn was ban you could just dump any monster in your graveyard safely (like green baboon and DMoC). This vid also shows why premature burial is ban now :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Y-mRitu1kThose guys are much more pro than I am. And the video has a lot of really long talking >> EDIT: This is another reason that the "deck dedication" argument doesn't work. To greatly abuse Premature requires a ton of card dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Monster Reborn while free has some good for this game. Your opponent now has to think on what he puts in his grave. When monster reborn was ban you could just dump any monster in your graveyard safely (like green baboon and DMoC). Don't be ridiculous. A year ago, anyone who suggested legalizing Monster Reborn would have been laughed off of any half-intelligent forum. Monster Reborn's text hasn't changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 I think the only reason it's how it is now, is because of the fact that they don't have any other cards that work like Reborn. They should make a new version, then after it's had time to be distributed, ban Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Monster Reborn while free has some good for this game. Your opponent now has to think on what he puts in his grave. When monster reborn was ban you could just dump any monster in your graveyard safely (like green baboon and DMoC). Don't be ridiculous. A year ago' date=' anyone who suggested legalizing Monster Reborn would have been laughed off of any half-intelligent forum. Monster Reborn's text hasn't changed since then.[/quote'] After playing it for more than six months I think it's perfect where it is. Some cards needs to be tested in the advanced format to see if it would really affect this game or not. They've done it before with Snatch Steal and we all saw that it was wrong. They fixed it on the following ban list. This time I think Monster Reborn passed the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Monster Reborn while free has some good for this game. Your opponent now has to think on what he puts in his grave. When monster reborn was ban you could just dump any monster in your graveyard safely (like green baboon and DMoC). Don't be ridiculous. A year ago' date=' anyone who suggested legalizing Monster Reborn would have been laughed off of any half-intelligent forum. Monster Reborn's text hasn't changed since then.[/quote'] After playing it for more than six months I think it's perfect where it is. Some cards needs to be tested in the advanced format to see if it would really affect this game or not. They've done it before with Snatch Steal and we all saw that it was wrong. They fixed it on the following ban list. This time I think Monster Reborn passed the test. Just because Konami is too bloody stupid to re-ban it doesn't mean that Monster Reborn has passed some sort of invisible test and is somehow balanced. The game has never had a need for entirely costless generic revival, and Monster Reborn is as costless and generic as revival gets. It was banworthy from the start and nothing has changed to make it acceptable. Konami just kept it legal because people like you think that you have a right to plop a piece of costless generic recursion into every deck you make, and they know that people like you would complain if they felt that this right had been violated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 What if there was a Super Monster Reborn like there is a Super Polymerization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Wolf Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 What if there was a Super Monster Reborn like there is a Super Polymerization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Monster Reborn while free has some good for this game. Your opponent now has to think on what he puts in his grave. When monster reborn was ban you could just dump any monster in your graveyard safely (like green baboon and DMoC). Don't be ridiculous. A year ago' date=' anyone who suggested legalizing Monster Reborn would have been laughed off of any half-intelligent forum. Monster Reborn's text hasn't changed since then.[/quote'] After playing it for more than six months I think it's perfect where it is. Some cards needs to be tested in the advanced format to see if it would really affect this game or not. They've done it before with Snatch Steal and we all saw that it was wrong. They fixed it on the following ban list. This time I think Monster Reborn passed the test. Just because Konami is too bloody stupid to re-ban it doesn't mean that Monster Reborn has passed some sort of invisible test and is somehow balanced. The game has never had a need for entirely costless generic revival, and Monster Reborn is as costless and generic as revival gets. It was banworthy from the start and nothing has changed to make it acceptable. Konami just kept it legal because people like you think that you have a right to plop a piece of costless generic recursion into every deck you make, and they know that people like you would complain if they felt that this right had been violated. So the fact that it's costless makes this broken LOL. It's basically use a card to get 1 monster (I don't see what's wrong here). If you get a good monster don't blame monster reborn blame the thing you revived... Smashing Ground is costless it kills a card, same thing for MST (1 for 1 here too) and they don't need to be ban. I see more people complain about losing to brain control and it has a cost. Monster Reborn is a strong card but it doesn't deserve to be banned anymore (specially with disk and dmoc gone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 They probably banned Premature for Brionac and Arms Hole, but we don't have them yet. If so, then, we might be getting them in Crimson Crisis. As Secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Monster Reborn is deck versatility, as well as field versatility. Smashing Ground cannot be used to activate multiple effects, not can Brain Control be used to give you any monster that either player has controlled during the game. No not compare Reborning to destroying cards :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Monster Reborn is deck versatility' date=' as well as field versatility. Smashing Ground cannot be used to activate multiple effects, not can Brain Control be used to give you any monster that either player has controlled during the game. No not compare Reborning to destroying cards :/[/quote'] Brain controls steals game litterally. This is much more frustrating than loosing to monster reborn. You clear the opponent's field while increasing yours for a decisive attack or to use the monster for your own benefits. Smashing Ground is to illustrate that the fact that if a card is a 1 for 1 it's not broken. Like you said monster reborn gives you a monster that has been use. What's the problem here, if the monster has been used it's because you are getting a card that isn't banned. Yes it's versatile that makes it a strong card but in no way banworthy.It gives you a monster. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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