Master52394 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 ' pid='1398688' dateline='1227731184']Yeah' date=' why? Thanksgiving isn't until tomorrow. So, they dragged us to school, like the idiots they are. But that is not relevant to what I am asking.[/quote'] yeah i had off school the entire week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 ' pid='1399261' dateline='1227741801']IF EVERYONE WAS DEAD... all dead people would be treated equal. It would be an ideal way of life. So' date=' utopias CAN exsists if peoplez are dead. :D[/quote'] but being dead is not an ideal way of LIFE for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
problematica Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 First, removing money actually provokes conflict. The monetary system is in place because the barter system's many flaws relating the value of objects being dependent on people's need for them and their own personal greed. Imposing such a responsibility leads to people having different opinions on the value of things. Second, death is not an option for a utopia. A perfect place would require life in some form to exist, otherwise the place would be empty and in itself be considered boring, thus rendering it not utopian. Furthermore, as utopia is a personal and nontangible state of being it would require life to judge whether it is or is not utopian. A utopia is not really a place lacking in conflict, for otherwise the ideal would be actually beyond all possibility as to disprove nature. All life forms, in one way or another, are in conflict with others for some sort of gain for themselves. Direct or not, there is literally no life that does not clash with another. Utopias are most probably to work out as the term perfect does: on a personal level. Both focus on things being on a level to where everything is just right with nothing wrong to it, yet such a state can only be seen through someone's perspective. It merely has to be in that state as according for a single person for it to actually be considered a utopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 They got brainwashed by the cultsThen they shall make Catholic paradise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 You really think brainwashing can remove conflicts? No matter how you're brainwashed you still see certain things in certain ways. There will remain the perspective problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fh-Fh Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Unless we are all the same, we cannot be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 And a utopia requires it to be ideal and therefore perfect. Even from a theoretical point that seems unlikely. The closest you can get is a haven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overheat Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 well i think that "idiot" classmate of yours is right. i live in Israel where money is life !!!.our prime minster tool a lot of cash with out even paying taxes. and etc.all the rich people who should be in jail have money for bailing them selves out. money is why people do stuff. why people steel,kill,hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 and how do you expect there'd be no conflict from all the thefts, murders, and hacking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 well i think that "idiot" classmate of yours is right. i live in Israel where money is life !!!. Actually' date=' money is life everywhere, we practically survive on money alone. Removing it would devastate man kind. our prime minster tool a lot of cash with out even paying taxes. and etc.all the rich people who should be in jail have money for bailing them selves out. Depends, what they did, if they killed somebody, it's highly unlikely that they will be letting bail that person out. money is why people do stuff. why people steel' date='kill,hack.[/quote'] Actually, that's the human nature, we are greedy, we always want to get more and more and more. Sure, money causes it, but still, there will always be greed even if we remove the money or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 yeah I know. You remove the money, there'll simply be a greed for power/control. And even in a utopia this won't be an exception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Utopia is only possible if all evils & problems that plague the world are instantly resolve... However, we humans have way too many problems that keep accumulating at an infinite rate & without those "evils", life will become boring & stagnant. Th,s the utopia is unfit forthe uman raceat this point of civilisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Read The Giver. Look it up on Wikipedia. That's how dumb a utopia is. IMHO, a utopia is a dystopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Utopia is only possible if all evils & problems that plague the world are instantly resolve... However' date=' we humans have way too many problems that keep accumulating at an infinite rate & without those "evils", life will become boring & stagnant. Th,s the utopia is unfit forthe uman raceat this point of civilisation.[/quote'] And we all know that's not possible. You resolve one problem, you just create another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Jevans Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 A utopia is only possible if there was no evil of any kind BUT everyone has different views of what is good and evil so the only way to have a utopia is if everyone had the same beliefs BUT that is impossible since everyone is unique. If everyone was dead, it wouldn't be a utopia it would just be empty and if you think it's a utopia for nature, you're wrong. The Earth would be permanently scarred from the effects of humanity so the animals will not have a utopia and neither would we. We'd be dead. I think I may have confused myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 A utopia is not available to us with our current technology and population, by any stretch. Getting rid of money is also a very bad thing, because this limits the abilities of people around us to efficiently and speedily create products. How are you going to keep a factory open by the trade system? And nobody is going to do it all for free. That is extremely unrealistic. There would be no incentive to do things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 a utopia does not have to contain advanced technology. A peaceful island with a peaceful society is enough to be considered a utopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 a utopia does not have to contain advanced technology. A peaceful island with a peaceful society is enough to be considered a utopiaIt could, but in reality it is not possible. Definition of Utopia that best fits the thread's description: An ideally perfect place, especially in its social, political, and moral aspects. Perfection is impossible. There's still the fact that nature can cause complications, and everyone in the world has different views and ideals. You can never appease everybody with a decision, and one place cannot appease everybody's wants without the use of technology and lots of research. Even then, it's quite possible that the "utopia" would shatter due to complications in the future, such as malfunctions with the equipment or something to do with space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 yeah I know that, I didn't say a utopia was possible, but if it really COULD be done, technology is not required for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbamber Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 A Utopia is virtually impossible. Nobody; Or anything can live in a state of nature. It just doesn't work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 you said virtually, which means a part of you still believes it can be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbamber Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 you said virtually' date=' which means a part of you still believes it can be done[/quote'] No. That means it is impossible, and can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I'm mostly convinced myself, but there's still a theoretical chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Requiem Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 A utopia is society where everyone and everything that is in complete balance. Therefore a utopia cannot exist where there is evil and crime. Even without money there will still be problems of people want to the powerhouse of a village or a city. So even without money there will be corruption in society. There is also war and hunger that feeds this worlds corruptions. You will need to unite this world and where there is complete understanding from all races of people. You need to get rid of religion and find a way to help people to understand one another then that will help bring a utopia.(Well not get rid of religion just try to get the positives out of it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 a place free of crime and evil isn't possible as long as there's conflicts. Everyone (TV, movie, or RL) who has tried to create such an environment has failed miserable. And everyone is corruptable, so there is no such thing as a conflict free environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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