Blade Knight Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Discuss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 ^I allready posted a discussion on this, personaly I find it great if used well, terribad if not used to perfection horus level 6 thrives here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 This + Botanical Lion = Advantage Also, this has been done at least 3 times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Knight Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Sorry If this has been done before, I haven't seen It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 A fun card which works well in a deck made around it. Outside of that deck this isn't that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 urrrm botanical lion dosnt gain attack from the tokens unless its flipped, as if you summon it straight out, its hattack is gained then halfed then it dosnt change from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 A card that bad players are convinced is good because bad players like Jerome McHale take it to SJC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 urrrm botanical lion dosnt gain attack from the tokens unless its flipped' date=' as if you summon it straight out, its hattack is gained then halfed then it dosnt change from there[/quote']LOLWUT? Botanical Lion has a continuous effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 A card that bad players are convinced is good because bad players like Jerome McHale take it to SJC. And do pretty wellMcHale's Blackest Garden was meh, I can think of many great uses for it, ton, would you like to cover those, after all, most of them come from your deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Black Garden is just a horrible card in general.There are better Plant Decks to run than ones that have BG in them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberdog Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Black Garden is just a horrible card in general.There are better Plant Decks to run than ones that have BG in them.. Black Armed Dragon runs Black Garden without being a plant deck. I like the card personally, its special summoning is a bit limited with multiples of 800. I've found Thunder Dragon and Armed Dragon to be good to revive with it. The attack halving can really slow some decks down since the halving is permant it it makes Judgement Dragon and Dark Armed Dragon easier to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 urrrm botanical lion dosnt gain attack from the tokens unless its flipped' date=' as if you summon it straight out, its hattack is gained then halfed then it dosnt change from there[/quote'] I was implying that the card itself was flip summoned. Or, you could always summon Botanical Lion first, then activate BG. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Black Garden is just a horrible card in general.There are better Plant Decks to run than ones that have BG in them.. In what way is Black Garden a horrible card? I'm dying to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 In what way is Black Garden a horrible card? I'm dying to know. In the way that there's not one deck that is any better by running it. It takes up needed space and misleads new/bad players into thinking it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 While i'm tired of McHale writing endless articles about how great this card is, i've noticed that builds using this certainly have a certain edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 strangly enough, Ive seen better non-plant builds with this then the plant based ones, which is odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 mchale is a fanny he dosnt even run sangan :Sim hoping to do better than him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 mchale is a fanny he dosnt even run sangan :Sim hoping to do better than him... well ok, ton personal oppinionyour old build > Blackest garden so yeah I'd say you'll do better if you're both running the aformensioned decks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 i have a new plant deck, that runs the 3 pollinosis again and drops the world tree(which im considering puttign back in) it does run better i shoudl post it :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 in the words of the willdo itDo ItDO ITDOITDOIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 i will later on once im out of school ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 In what way is Black Garden a horrible card? I'm dying to know. In the way that there's not one deck that is any better by running it. It takes up needed space and misleads new/bad players into thinking it's good. So you're saying that there aren't any decks that can benefit running a permanent Shrink that clogs your opponent's field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Lol at Chevalier. (Don't you get tired of being wrong?) First of all, Black Garden is easy to work around by simply playing Lonefire for Tytaniel / Botanical / Whatever BEFORE YOU ACTIVATE IT. Obviously, it can be destroyed or removed from the field, but it's not going to be by battle. Your opponent's stuff will be far too small and your stuff will be far too big. Also, good luck managing to get a Tytannial off the field without using targeting Spells/Traps/Monster effects. It's Black Garden that gives her effect any modicum of consistency. It's also Black Garden that keeps her from being easily run over by a Colossal Fighter. Next, let's not forget that Botanical Lion has 2000 DEF. That's the equivalent of 4000 DEF when Black Garden is on the field. It's not particularly likely that he will be destroyed while still faced down. Yeah, you don' get immediate results, but that's the point of Black Garden decks: The game is slowed down to the point where delays are acceptable. Now, TeleDAD is the top deck right now. Correct? (If you disagree with me here, than you're not even worth talking to.) TeleDAD brings down 2 things. Synchros, and Dark Armed. It's really a OTK deck at heart, even if it's not specifically designed to kill in one turn with a reliable combo the way...say.... Batterymen or Demise is. Let's just think for a second how much harder it is to go for game when your monsters are all half the size they should be. It's even harder when you consider that your opponent has a field full of tokens that you'll need to get through, as well as likely a monster that's far too big to be attacked over. (At least when compared to the size of your monsters) Oh, and guess what, your field is clogged with tokens too, so you won't be able to summon all the monsters you need to win. Now, Dark Armed provides a partial out to this, but it can't blow away anything while Tytannial is on the field, because she'll just tribute away the token your opponent got because you summoned Dark Armed in order to negate his effect and destroy him. Stardust Dragon is a funk of a lot less scary to look at when he's got a measly 1250 ATK. Goyo's close to useless at 1400, etc. Basically, TeleDAD is buttfucked. Glads are screwed if the only monster they have that can attack over the funking tokens is Laquari. Murmillo's useless if Tytannial's out, and all the tagging is going to be providing plenty of fodder for your opponent's Pollinosis or Tytannial, or even for Valley. Gyzarus targets, so he's funked by Tytannial (Only because of Black Garden, which is all that makes her effect even partially reliable) etc. etc. Lightsworn are practically the only big deck that aren't absolutely totaled by Black Garden, and even they aren't too bad of a matchup for the plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 ---^ THAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Lol at Chevalier. (Don't you get tired of being wrong?) I honestly feel pity for the members of YCM who believe the illusion that they're good and know their Ygos. Your whole argument is depending on you having BG on your first turn. Which you won't 9/10 times. Black Garden is a bad card that doesn't stand a chance against any Top-Tier decks or any Tier 2 Decks. If it's such pro anti-meta why is it that the only person who runs it is Jerome McHale' date=' the same Jerome McHale who said that Neos Wiseman was good in this Meta and could top a Jump? Little City >>>>>>>>>>>>> BG Deck Name any Deck, besides some jank like "Black Garden" control, and I can make a better build w/out it. ---^ THAT! My assumption that you're horrible was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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