Flame Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 ITT: We base how ban worthy a card is based on the current meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieCombo Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 right now, a chaos sorcerer will be broken with current meta. simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:pyramid:. Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 keep this banned, and bring bk dis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieCombo Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 lol, yep bk is best card on planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I disagree with Chaos Sorcerer being less broken the DaD' date=' can CS nuke the entire field then deal 1/3 LP damage on it's own?[/quote'] Stop posting until you've actually read what other people have said, rook. more broken* Stop posting until you've actually read what other people have said' date=' rook. No, once again, I simply mean to say, that if JD, DAD, and Demise, remain unbanned, which they probably will then chaos sorcerer's return wouldn't make too much of an impact. Stop posting until you've actually read what other people have said, rook. ITT: I get flamed by a mod, over a typo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I disagree with Chaos Sorcerer being less broken the DaD' date=' can CS nuke the entire field then deal 1/3 LP damage on it's own?[/quote'] Stop posting until you've actually read what other people have said, rook. more broken* Stop posting until you've actually read what other people have said' date=' rook. No, once again, I simply mean to say, that if JD, DAD, and Demise, remain unbanned, which they probably will then chaos sorcerer's return wouldn't make too much of an impact. Stop posting until you've actually read what other people have said, rook. ITT: I get flamed by a mod, over a typo.... With or without the typo, your post was still idiotic and wrong, and was already answered by my earlier posts in the topic. God, you're dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Crab, YCM doesnt only consist of you, perhaps I wanted other peoples oppinions, not every body just goes "what Crab said" all the time, okay, well they do, but who's to say I wouldn't have gotten a different reaction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 keep this banned' date=' and bring bk dis [img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/4/4e/BlackLusterSoldier-EnvoyoftheBeginningMC2-EN-ScR.jpg[/img] Less broken than DAD? Yes. Should it come back? Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Chaos Sorcerer's effect hasn't changed since the last time it was banned. Only two things have changed since then. The first being that a lot more splashable light and dark monsters have been made. The second is the advent of tuners and Synchros. It's just as broken as it ever was, perhaps moreso. The solution to [broken Card being legal] is not [unban another broken card], obviously. Just because a bannable card is less broken then a currently legal bannable card doesn't mean we should unban the first card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Ahh synchros' date=' well Crab, at 1, you get somthing like this, once. SS Chaos Sorcerer, remove a threat, tune into SDD or the like. this happens once, and when you consider some of the other stuff happening these days, it seems quite minor.[/quote'] yeah!! just happen once... oh wait, chaos sorcerer IS A SEMI NOMI!! so, forget your arguments, are just a bunch of complains like the complains of other forums users that SWEAR that chaos sorcerer will be back because "is less broken on this format" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Chaos Sorcerer, while it has a drawback, is overpowered, and would be just as, if not more, powerful as Destiny Hero - Malicious is in Tele-DaD. Bringing back Chaos Sorcerer would do nothing but strengthen Tele-DaD. Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning wouldn't be as devastating as Chaos Sorcerer, simply because of the fact that it's a Level 8 and there aren't many, if there are any at all, Synchro monsters you could Summon with Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curium Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 No' date=' once again, I simply mean to say, that if JD, DAD, and Demise, remain unbanned, which they probably will then chaos sorcerer's return wouldn't make too much of an impact.[/quote'] A return of every card is possible.Remember how everyone was like "Monster Reborn is broken, never unban it."Then when it's unbanned, the impact may not be big, but should it stay? If you think that returning a banned card is possible because it will not make a big impact. Even Painful Choice can be limited, as it only speeds up DAD, Lightsworn and Zombies, etc. No big impact on what's ruling the meta. Which is why, banworthy-ness of a card should not be based on impact on meta. The use of banlist YCM has generally accepted is "To reduce luck and increase the importance in skill. (Also stuff like type-killers, bad for the game, etc.)" Moreover, why will Chaos Sorcerer not make an impact? That's because it strengthens DARK and LIGHT decks. Which further widens the gap of power between those two and the other four attributes. DARK and LIGHT decks are already dominating the meta, now other decks without DARK or LIGHT as their main attribute will have even a harder time beating them. This is bad for the diversity of the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 No' date=' once again, I simply mean to say, that if JD, DAD, and Demise, remain unbanned, which they probably will then chaos sorcerer's return wouldn't make too much of an impact.[/quote'] A return of every card is possible.Remember how everyone was like "Monster Reborn is broken, never unban it."Then when it's unbanned, the impact may not be big, but should it stay? If you think that returning a banned card is possible because it will not make a big impact. Even Painful Choice can be limited, as it only speeds up DAD, Lightsworn and Zombies, etc. No big impact on what's ruling the meta. stopped reading after the las bit quoted, as crab pointed out, Painful Choice is one of the most broken card's you'll ever see, Jinzo - Returner guarentee's you atleast 1 Jinzo, and almost a certain OTK. I activate Painful choice, Mezuki, Jinzo x2 Jinzo - Retuner x2 in my Graveyard I have several High powered zombies, in my hand I have a Limiter removal, and probably some other nasties what do you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curium Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 No' date=' once again, I simply mean to say, that if JD, DAD, and Demise, remain unbanned, which they probably will then chaos sorcerer's return wouldn't make too much of an impact.[/quote'] A return of every card is possible.Remember how everyone was like "Monster Reborn is broken, never unban it."Then when it's unbanned, the impact may not be big, but should it stay? If you think that returning a banned card is possible because it will not make a big impact. Even Witch of the Black Forest can be limited, as it only speeds up Tele-DAD. No big impact on what's ruling the meta. Which is why, banworthy-ness of a card should not be based on impact on meta. The use of banlist YCM has generally accepted is "To reduce luck and increase the importance in skill. (Also stuff like type-killers, bad for the game, etc.)" Moreover, why will Chaos Sorcerer not make an impact? That's because it strengthens DARK and LIGHT decks. Which further widens the gap of power between those two and the other four attributes. DARK and LIGHT decks are already dominating the meta, now other decks without DARK or LIGHT as their main attribute will have even a harder time beating them. This is bad for the diversity of the meta. OH HAI, I fixed my own post. Now please read it. =( This "I stopped reading there" thing is getting annoying. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Lawl @ SOD stopping in the middle of anyone else's post. He's not even good enough to be worthy of stopping in the middle of Andrew's posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Uh Crab, I might have some stupid views on the game, that doesnt mean I can't play, and Andrew is an idiot, in addition my good man, when you control my eyes, you may then declare weather or not I should stop reading.. Also, fixed post read, and you raise a good point. You know what, as fun as being flamed is, I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 before the advent of synchros and tuners, chaos sorceror woudl have been a nice addition tot he game to have back, as it wasnt really broken about 6 months ago now however! it would be utterly horrible to have this card unbanned, now with synchros this card should never be unbanned unless of course we make the game like pokemon, and unban EVERY card, so everythign is broken :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:pyramid:. Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 keep this banned' date=' and bring bk dis [img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/4/4e/BlackLusterSoldier-EnvoyoftheBeginningMC2-EN-ScR.jpg[/img] Less broken than DAD? Yes. Should it come back? Never. to be fair its only crime is that its a huge beat stick that can quickly swing for over 1/3 lp. at least it can't be used for quick synchro summoning. I think it could come back but it will be a lot like breaker , a format card, a revolving door card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 keep this banned' date=' and bring bk dis [img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/4/4e/BlackLusterSoldier-EnvoyoftheBeginningMC2-EN-ScR.jpg[/img] Less broken than DAD? Yes. Should it come back? Never. to be fair its only crime is that its a huge beat stick that can quickly swing for over 1/3 lp. Why, yes, that is its only problem. That's why Blue-Eyes White Dragon was banned alongside it. at least it can't be used for quick synchro summoning. It can now. I think it could come back but it will be a lot like breaker ' date=' a format card, a revolving door card.[/quote'] Yes, and this proves that you are bad at this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 keep this banned' date=' and bring bk dis [img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/4/4e/BlackLusterSoldier-EnvoyoftheBeginningMC2-EN-ScR.jpg[/img] Less broken than DAD? Yes. Should it come back? Never. to be fair its only crime is that its a huge beat stick that can quickly swing for over 1/3 lp. at least it can't be used for quick synchro summoning. I think it could come back but it will be a lot like breaker , a format card, a revolving door card. Its other crimes are being a laughably easy to summon beatstick and the ability to run over 2 monsters instead of 1 and with 3000 ATK if you decide to do so and that would cover almost every monster. I still don't think this should come back, although I wouldn't put anything past Konami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjoepro Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 i think it would be ok to bring it back why not but make it harder to find so it is rare to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 i think it would be ok to bring it back why not but make it harder to find so it is rare to get lolwut?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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