Brain Control: Why all the ruckus?

[Guest Star]

I'm assuming you know what it is. If not, check Wikia.

 

Why is it that people seem to think banning Brain Control is a good idea. It doesn't seem that broken to me.

[Dweller of Parables]

Compared to change of heart...only paying 800 LP isn't much of a difference.

[Guest Star]

Compared to change of heart...only paying 800 LP isn't much of a difference.

 

Except for the fact that the monster has to be face-up as well.

[~ Chidori-Kun]

1.) Tribute Fodder

 

2.) Synchro Fodder

 

3.) Field Advantage

 

4.) Low Life Point Cost

 

5.) Effect Fodder

 

I would ban this

[Guest Star]

1.) Tribute Fodder

 

2.) Synchro Fodder

 

3.) Field Advantage

 

4.) Low Life Point Cost

 

5.) Effect Fodder

 

I would ban this

 

While you're at it, ban Reshef.

[CrabHelmet]

1.) Tribute Fodder

 

2.) Synchro Fodder

 

3.) Field Advantage

 

4.) Low Life Point Cost

 

5.) Effect Fodder

 

I would ban this

 

While you're at it' date=' ban Reshef.

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I was under the impression that Reshef could not be splashed into every deck under the sun and reverse games via topdeck.

 

The reason people didn't want it banned was that returning the monster during the End Phase required it to be used in tandem with something like a Monarch to be effective; combined with the face-up restriction, this balanced it, though it was still extremely powerful. However, the advent of Synchro Monsters has both reduced the effectiveness of face-down monsters (after taking proper banlist alterations into account, naturally) and made it far easier to stop the opponent from getting their monster back due to the incredible splashability of Tuners and such.

[Flame Dragon]

Compared to change of heart...only paying 800 LP isn't much of a difference.

 

Except for the fact that the monster has to be face-up as well.

 

So lets play the whole duel by setting monsters.

 

That will be fun.

 

 

1.) Tribute Fodder

 

2.) Synchro Fodder

 

3.) Field Advantage

 

4.) Low Life Point Cost

 

5.) Effect Fodder

 

I would ban this

 

While you're at it' date=' ban Reshef.

[/quote']

It's a Ritual.

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

1.) Tribute Fodder

 

2.) Synchro Fodder

 

3.) Field Advantage

 

4.) Low Life Point Cost

 

5.) Effect Fodder

 

I would ban this

 

While you're at it' date=' ban Reshef.

[/quote']

 

Let me think. Reshef is a Ritual. It cant be splashed into every deck under the sun. The dedication Reshef requires is enough to balance it.

[CrabHelmet]

1.) Tribute Fodder

 

2.) Synchro Fodder

 

3.) Field Advantage

 

4.) Low Life Point Cost

 

5.) Effect Fodder

 

I would ban this

 

While you're at it' date=' ban Reshef.

[/quote']

 

Let me think. Reshef is a Ritual. It cant be splashed into every deck under the sun. The dedication Reshef requires is enough to balance it.

 

Since you're copying my wording anyhow, why not copy the part about topdecking as well?

[Bunter Dwayne]

I was under the impression that Reshef could not be splashed into every deck under the sun and reverse games via topdeck.

 

The reason people didn't want it banned was that returning the monster during the End Phase required it to be used in tandem with something like a Monarch to be effective; combined with the face-up restriction, this balanced it, though it was still extremely powerful. However, the advent of Synchro Monsters has both reduced the effectiveness of face-down monsters (after taking proper banlist alterations into account, naturally) and made it far easier to stop the opponent from getting their monster back due to the incredible splashability of Tuners and such.

 

 

Nah, I agree with Crab.

 

As you can see.

[「tea.leaf」]

Brain Control is a +2 from the beginning: you lose it, but you gain a monster while your opponent loses one.

 

From that point there is absolutely no restriction upon how you can use said monster, and that's what's out of hand.

 

In the past, effects and Releasing were the only applications of the taken monster, but Synchro opens another window.

 

You can play your opponent's monster against them and then instantly turn it into something bigger with just one more card.

 

Drawn middle to late game, this card can turn entire games around; a solid presence can instantly crumble with only one card.

 

Most modern decks can make solid use of this, even if they don't run high level monsters or Synchro.

 

Of course, these facts have been obvious for a long time, so it's beyond me why this card suddenly became a great issue.

[CrabHelmet]

Brain Control is a +2 from the beginning: you lose it' date=' but you gain a monster while your opponent loses one.

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Speaking as someone who participates in contest math and does well, I am often astounded by the incredibly poor arithmetic skills that even the better YCMers seem to possess. Seriously, how on earth do you guys calculate Life Point damage when one-digit addition and subtraction proves too difficult for you?

 

Of course' date=' these facts have been obvious for a long time, so it's beyond me why this card suddenly became a great issue.

[/quote']

 

What's so sudden about it? It's been banworthy ever since Synchro Monsters were released.

[Tabris]

I was under the impression that Reshef could not be splashed into every deck under the sun and reverse games via topdeck.

 

The reason people didn't want it banned was that returning the monster during the End Phase required it to be used in tandem with something like a Monarch to be effective; combined with the face-up restriction' date=' this balanced it, though it was still extremely powerful. However, the advent of Synchro Monsters has both reduced the effectiveness of face-down monsters (after taking proper banlist alterations into account, naturally) and made it far easier to stop the opponent from getting their monster back due to the incredible splashability of Tuners and such.

[/quote']

 

This.

 

And to think I was once arguin' for Brain's rehabilitation...

[CrabHelmet]

I remembered from before that Tabris still supported 3 Brain even with Synchros out, so when I saw him post I was hoping we could have an awesome argument. But now he agrees with me, and that's boring, so I'm going to switch sides just because I can.

 

There's nothing wrong with Brain Control at 3 that wasn't wrong with it before Synchros arrived; it's still fine. You can say all you want about face-down monsters not being as useful nowadays, but come on, we all know that they wouldn't be all that significant beforehand anyhow; in fact, with Stardust Dragon around, they might even gain popularity with cards like D.D. Warrior Lady available, and Ryko's release won't exactly hurt them.

 

More important is the fact that the stolen monster can be used for Synchro Summons, but even then, it doesn't really matter; Synchro Summoning is actually extremely similar to Tribute Summoning, and working with every Level 5 or higher Normal Summonable monster in the game (along with plenty of others, like Plasma) certainly never made Brain Control banworthy in the past. Not to mention that Mind Control used with Synchro Monsters in this way acts like Change of Heart, and it certainly isn't banworthy by any stretch of the imagination. You can say that Brain Control has more utility than Mind Control, but in most cases you won't be using it for both Synchro Summons and Tribute Summons anyhow - the only real exception being Synchro Monarchs, which is far from sufficient to warrant a ban.

[Tabris]

In this case, however, it has too much usage behind it.

 

This card is essentially almost any monster in the game - stats, effect, etc. - that either inflicts damage (puny or OTK-inducin', it doesn't matter) OR preps for future Tribute or Synchro Summons that could also dish out advantage and damage if the monster taken by Brain isn't enough advantage.

[Smeg]

It's called good for almost any situation cept when your on 700 :/

[Deloge]

Making it limited is enough for me.

[Smeg]

If Brain Control = Ban

Konami goes = bye

[tonisanoob]

if there is a card that has deserved banning for a LONG time its this

[CrabHelmet]

if there is a card that has deserved banning for a LONG time its this

 

Lawl, no. This has needed a ban for less than a year. The card you describe is CCV.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

I didn't realize there was a ruckus over Brain Control. Stuff like Premature Burial and Dark Armed Dragon cause more ruckus than Brain Control.

[Toffee.]

if there is a card that has deserved banning for a LONG time its this

 

Lawl' date=' no. This has needed a ban for less than a year. The card you describe is CCV.

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Crab, You know they will never ban it. As long as they can spend .89c to make like 200 copies of the card, And sell it for 500+, They are never going to ban it.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

if there is a card that has deserved banning for a LONG time its this

 

Lawl' date=' no. This has needed a ban for less than a year. The card you describe is CCV.

[/quote']

 

Crab, You know they will never ban it. As long as they can spend .89c to make like 200 copies of the card, And sell it for 500+, They are never going to ban it.

 

Konami makes, at most, $25 dollars for every TCG CCV sold. Much less for OCG ones. Where are you pulling $500+ from? Not even eBay resellers sell it for that much.

[Shadowstorm]

i don't agree to it bieng banned,but i would like to see it limited to 1 copy.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

i don't agree to it bieng banned' date='but i would like to see it limited to 1 copy.

[/quote']

 

It is already Limited.