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That's a distinct possibility, although we caught sight of his bare arms during that fight, so unless they took it a step further and literally fused Tobi into Obito after whatever happens here, then I'd say it's just Obito having gotten better.

That actually makes more sense. If Tobizetsu was fused into Obito, that would explain his personality changes and that second mask he had.

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Another question: Why did Tobizetsu turn out that way?

Like why does he have a spiral head with one hole as opposed to being a normal Zetsu? Was he made that way when Madara used Senju cells on Obito or what?

Maybe it's all part of Madara's plan. He plans on Tobizetsu to take Obito out there and all. He's made that way so that they wouldn't recognize him or maybe because Obito only has one eye.

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Maybe it's all part of Madara's plan. He plans on Tobizetsu to take Obito out there and all. He's made that way so that they wouldn't recognize him or maybe because Obito only has one eye.

 

Makes sense. With augmented strength from Tobizetsu, I guess that'd enable him to at least challenge the Hokage and Mizukage.

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Still loving Tobizetsu. Obito looks so f*cking badass inside of him.

 

...Dontthinkwrongdontthinkwrongdontthinkwrongdontthinkwrong....

 

 

OT - There may still be a bit of a time lapse though. My guess (from the looks of it) is that after Obitobi finds out about Rin's death, he goes into a depression with no hope whatsoever and then decides that living in "this world" is hopeless. Rin's dead. My life is over. I give into Madara's plan so I can escape from reality and meet Rin once more.

 

Or something like that.

 

Vs. Mizukage -> I do think Obitobi is using the Zetsu "cloak(s)" to power himself to their levels while he is still growing his own strength.

 

Vs. Hokage -> I think he wasn't using the Zetsu "cloak(s)" by this time as over training + his activation of his Mangyeko, he has a good chance of faring up to the Genius 4th. Also, why would the 4th not recognize Obitobi's chakra? Because perhaps it's "muddled" with the Zetsu half to produce a different type of chakra signature (like how you mix 2 different colored dyes to produce a new color).

 

Vs. Uchiha Massacre -> By this point I think old Madara is using 1 or several Zetsu "cloak(s)". It does kind of explain why he was wearing a mask when he met Itachi, and so proceeded to the massacre of the Uchiha while Obitobi gathered some eyes. Unfortunately Danzo noticed this and also took action which explains how he got all those eyes in his arm (with the aid of Orochimaru no doubt). Sasuke is left confused, traumatized, and then we follow his story.

 

That's what I'm seeing atm

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Well, I can see the whole "grew out his hair" argument (not that I like it or anything), but my point about my post was that Kakashi Gaiden happens, then a couple (not really sure how many) years later, this taller Tobi with more Madara-esque hair shows up with a passion to get revenge on the Uchiha. Basically, we go from standard Tobito to a more Madara feeling Tobito, back to the current Tobito. Not only that but that screenshot of the manga (I'll edit in the post) was when Tobi was recalling Itachi's massacre to Sasuke. We saw the damaged part of Tobi's face when Itachi's Amaterasu activated Sasuke's eye, which seems to imply that Tobito reveal was clearly planned in advance by Masashi Kishimoto (at least I hope so). WHY WAS TOBI'S DESIGN SO RADICALLY DIFFERENT (he's basically looking down on Itachi, Itachi was either 4 feet tall or this isn't our Tobito)?

 

There really isn't any evidence to prove that it's anybody other than Tobito, but I just can't handle that this Tobito is the same as our current Tobito or the past Tobito (of the nine tails attack).

 

 

 

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Post containing the image I was referring to

 

[spoiler=your answer]Naruto-Manga-Chapter-591-017.jpg

 

 

Nah, Tobi still has Madara's hair so I think Madara was still Tobi at that time.

 

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(he's basically looking down on Itachi, Itachi was either 4 feet tall or this isn't our Tobito)?

You have to remember, at that time, Itachi was all of 12/13. As such, Obito was about 20-22 years old. The height difference isn't that shocking, when you picture the difference between 12/13 year old Sasuke and 17/18 year old Itachi.

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You have to remember, at that time, Itachi was all of 12/13. As such, Obito was about 20-22 years old. The height difference isn't that shocking, when you picture the difference between 12/13 year old Sasuke and 17/18 year old Itachi.

Except that Sasuke isn't all that tall in Part II and that Tobi never seemed giant until that one scene'

 

 

 

Edit: There's also the comparison of 12/13 yr old Itachi to his father and to others in general. He isn't that short compared to other adults in his young adult life

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Except that Sasuke isn't all that tall in Part II and that Tobi never seemed giant until that one scene

... wut

 

That doesn't have anything to do with what I said ._.

 

Obito shows to be about the same height as Kakashi and Guy are now, and was about the same when they were younger as well. While not 100%, this would imply he was always about the same, with teenage growth spurts happening before he met Itachi.

 

Part 1 Sasuke was about 4'11"/5'1", given point in the series. Itachi was 5'9". Tobi was slightly taller than P1 Sasuke when he was his age. Currently, Tobi is slightly shorter (.04 feet) than Itachi and about 3 inches taller than Sasuke is atm.

 

Tobi is short, but given how Sasuke is shaping up to be the same height as his brother, given time, it means that Itachi was less than 5'1" when he met Tobi, who was enhanced by Senju Cells + Time, so he could have dwarfed Itachi.

 

Also, as a reference, Itachi was apparently rather short before his growth spurt

[spoiler=Pic]

Itachi642246.jpg

 

 

 

Even with the fact that he's slightly hunched factored in, he's only about a head taller than a 7 year old when he's 12.

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Upon reviewing a family picture of Itachi's family, it actually quite possible that you are right about the whole height thing. He just didn't seem that short in the anime when they showed his story leading up to the massacre.

 

That image basically renders the edit of my post (which I think you may have missed) wrong =/

 

[spoiler=Picture I was referring to]

180px-Uchiha%27s.PNG

 

 

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I guess that makes sense. But don't wrinkles usually appear all over a person's face? At the very least, they shouldn't be as specific as dual sides of the nose. Or maybe I'm looking too deeply into this.

They're just stress lines. He had them even as a child because he was a very stressed out guy. All the work he had to do to keep up with everyones expectations of him aswell as looking out for Sasuke. Not to mention everything that happens later in his life.

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Actually, what Itachi has is called tear troughs. Or I suppose you can call them stress lines. From what I understand, they are like an advanced form of dark circles under your eyes, usually found on older people and presumably caused by stress/lack of sleep. Itachi was a very stressed person. Aside from being a kid living through the 3rd ninja war, he also planned out and assassinated his whole clan. He was depended on by this clan to infiltrate his home village, and he was an ANBU captain by 13 if memory serves. Most likely the stresses of his jobs aged him profusely.

 

However, Itachi was not born with this defect, as seen during Naruto's birth where he had a regular face.

 

@Idiot, the best answer I have for that is the genjutsu he used on Sasuke before Edo Tensei wore off. Especially the scene right before he killed his parents when they told him how nice he was and he was crying profusely.

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So we're talking about wrinkles/stress lines now? How did that happened?

 

Anyway, these 2 chapter has been a little bit slow... hoped that next week we finally get to see how Rin die and Obito turn to the dark side.

 

Guess my theory of both Madara and Obito was Tobi for different period of time is totally out now... Obito was old enough during Kurama's attack on Konoho right?

 

If Madara was revive via Rinne Tensei, would Madara be brought back to life as old Madara?

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