[DISC]Monster Reborn

[borntorun112]

However' date=' this usually means that the top decking player is actually a terrible one and relies on luck to win. The game needs to be based more on skill and less on luck.

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Yes, but the un-banning of Monster Reborn opens up new strategies, seeing as good duelists must now think of ways to work around an opponent turning the game by using Monster Reborn.

 

I don't see why we should even allow a card that would give a unskilled player a disproportional chance of winning. Good players shouldn't have to do that.

 

The only thing is that it's not like it's only allowed to be in an unskilled player's deck. Both players in a duel can have this in their deck.

 

With that logic, we can bring back Pot of Greed, Delinquent Duo, Graceful Charity, Raigeki, Harpie's Feather Duster, and now everyone can have these cards in their deck.

 

I still don't get why cards like Pot of Greed, and Graceful Charity are banned...

[The Dark One]

Sorry for jumping in two pages too late, but I just can't resist.

 

 

 

Ive been using this a lot...

It's a staple. But far from bannable. You never draw it when you want =.=

 

But far from bannable.

It is very banable. It's mind less and can turn the whole duel around alone.

 

Someone didn't realize I was speaking more on a pet peeve.

Of course it's bannable. But I never draw it enough to make it xD

 

Ive been using this a lot...

It's a staple. But far from bannable. You never draw it when you want =.=

 

Wow by that logic no card is bannable because you might not draw it...

 

ITT: People don't know what a pet peeve is.

This has got to be on of the lamest dodges I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty lame and translucent dodges.

 

You said "But far from bannable."

 

You then said "Of course it's bannable."

 

No matter what you say, you made a direct contradiction of your own statement. Your first statement was not worded in such a way that acknowledged personal bias, or even in such a way that someone could realize that in afterthought. So either you were lying in some pathetic attempt to catch people out (in which case, learn to troll.) or you changed your viewpoint in order to save face. I'm fairly certain that you're not much of a troll, so I'm going to assume the second option. So a little bit of friendly advice, you would save much more face if you said something like "I was completely stoned/high/drunk when I wrote that, I have no idea wtf I was thinking." or "That was my little brother, sorry guys." than labeling it a result of your "pet peeve."

 

But props to you for one thing: You immediately took up the offensive. Insults and other personal attacks are a great distraction technique.

[SkillzKill]

However' date=' this usually means that the top decking player is actually a terrible one and relies on luck to win. The game needs to be based more on skill and less on luck.

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Yes, but the un-banning of Monster Reborn opens up new strategies, seeing as good duelists must now think of ways to work around an opponent turning the game by using Monster Reborn.

 

I don't see why we should even allow a card that would give a unskilled player a disproportional chance of winning. Good players shouldn't have to do that.

 

The only thing is that it's not like it's only allowed to be in an unskilled player's deck. Both players in a duel can have this in their deck.

 

With that logic, we can bring back Pot of Greed, Delinquent Duo, Graceful Charity, Raigeki, Harpie's Feather Duster, and now everyone can have these cards in their deck.

 

I still don't get why cards like Pot of Greed, and Graceful Charity are banned...

 

Those two cards are arguably two of the best Spells in the game. They were 2/3 or Trinity for a reason. If you can't figure out why they're banned, you're terrible at this game.

[borntorun112]

Those two cards are arguably two of the best Spells in the game. They were 2/3 or Trinity for a reason. If you can't figure out why they're banned' date=' you're terrible at this game.

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All they do is let you draw cards. One lets you draw two, and the other lets you draw 3, but have to discard 2. I don't see much wrong with that.

[SkillzKill]

Those two cards are arguably two of the best Spells in the game. They were 2/3 or Trinity for a reason. If you can't figure out why they're banned' date=' you're terrible at this game.

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All they do is let you draw cards. One lets you draw two, and the other lets you draw 3, but have to discard 2. I don't see much wrong with that.

 

Pot of Greed is a +1 to hand advantage for no cost and requires no skill to use. Graceful Charity lets you replace 2 dead cards in hand with 2 more. Deck thinning is good as it allows you to draw cards that you need faster, thus, Kira the Savior's statement about Drawing not being about luck.

[borntorun112]

Those two cards are arguably two of the best Spells in the game. They were 2/3 or Trinity for a reason. If you can't figure out why they're banned' date=' you're terrible at this game.

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All they do is let you draw cards. One lets you draw two, and the other lets you draw 3, but have to discard 2. I don't see much wrong with that.

 

Pot of Greed is a +1 to hand advantage for no cost and requires no skill to use. Graceful Charity lets you replace 2 dead cards in hand with 2 more. Deck thinning is good as it allows you to draw cards that you need faster, thus, Kira the Savior's statement about Drawing not being about luck.

 

Yes, but even if you do draw the cards you need faster, it still takes strategy to play them correctly.

[The Dark One]

Those two cards are arguably two of the best Spells in the game. They were 2/3 or Trinity for a reason. If you can't figure out why they're banned' date=' you're terrible at this game.

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All they do is let you draw cards. One lets you draw two, and the other lets you draw 3, but have to discard 2. I don't see much wrong with that.

 

Pot of Greed is an inherent +1. That means that by the very nature of you being lucky enough to draw it in your opening hand, you are immediately at an advantage over your opponent. Most other cards require some semblance of planning or strategy to use properly. Pot of Greed is instantly activated the moment it is drawn. All it does is make the game more based on luck.

 

Graceful Charity doesn't give you a +1, but it does give you access to more cards, which means that you can have more choice about what your hand will be. This, again, gives you an instant advantage over your opponent. In addition, it places cards in your graveyard, which can be a very good thing. It can be argued that it takes some (smallllllllllllllllllllll) level of skill to play, but it still provides anyone who draws it with an enormous advantage. There is just about no situation in which it would not be activated. Also, it's absolutely unacceptable with Dark World monsters.

[SkillzKill]

Those two cards are arguably two of the best Spells in the game. They were 2/3 or Trinity for a reason. If you can't figure out why they're banned' date=' you're terrible at this game.

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All they do is let you draw cards. One lets you draw two, and the other lets you draw 3, but have to discard 2. I don't see much wrong with that.

 

Pot of Greed is a +1 to hand advantage for no cost and requires no skill to use. Graceful Charity lets you replace 2 dead cards in hand with 2 more. Deck thinning is good as it allows you to draw cards that you need faster, thus, Kira the Savior's statement about Drawing not being about luck.

 

Yes, but even if you do draw the cards you need faster, it still takes strategy to play them correctly.

 

This now comes back to one of my original posts. Cards like Monster Reborn and Brain Control require no skill whatsoever to play, and their effects are game breaking. Therefore they need to be banned.

 

Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity are also generic and costless (yes, Graceful Charity doesn't have a cost, only an effect).

 

Cards like Allure of Darkness and Destiny Draw though can go to 3 because it requires some deck dedication to actually use them and they both have costs (well not Allure, but it has an effect similar to a cost that requires deck dedication as well).

[borntorun112]

I guess it all just boils down to this is what Konami thinks, so we have to deal.

[SkillzKill]

I guess it all just boils down to this is what Konami thinks' date=' so we have to deal.

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It does, but, as all of the better players know, Konami is terrible at making ban list decisions.

[borntorun112]

I guess it all just boils down to this is what Konami thinks' date=' so we have to deal.

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It does, but, as all of the better players know, Konami is terrible at making ban list decisions.

 

Well too bad all of you better players can't make the rules

[The Dark One]

I guess it all just boils down to this is what Konami thinks' date=' so we have to deal.

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It does, but, as all of the better players know, Konami is terrible at making ban list decisions.

 

Well too bad all of you better players can't make the rules

 

Obviously anything we do or say in this thread is entirely irrelevant to Konami's decision-making, but that doesn't mean that we can't speculate or argue over what should be, regardless of what is.

[borntorun112]

I guess it all just boils down to this is what Konami thinks' date=' so we have to deal.

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It does, but, as all of the better players know, Konami is terrible at making ban list decisions.

 

Well too bad all of you better players can't make the rules

 

Obviously anything we do or say in this thread is entirely irrelevant to Konami's decision-making, but that doesn't mean that we can't speculate or argue over what should be, regardless of what is.

 

I never said you couldn't

[kidchaor]

monster reborn can be ban worthy with big recycler cards like light ruler. that would allow you to use monster reborn(or better yet battle mania) everytime he destroys a monster.

[Crow™]

monster reborn can be ban worthy with big recycler cards like light ruler. that would allow you to use monster reborn(or better yet battle mania) everytime he destroys a monster.

 

Because EVERYBODY should now use Light ruler and Battle Mania!!!

[Sunshine Jesse]

monster reborn can be ban worthy with big recycler cards like light ruler. that would allow you to use monster reborn(or better yet battle mania) everytime he destroys a monster.

 

[SkillzKill]

monster reborn can be ban worthy with big recycler cards like light ruler. that would allow you to use monster reborn(or better yet battle mania) everytime he destroys a monster.

 

Monster Reborn IS banworthy. A card cannot sometimes be banworthy. It is either banworthy or not.

[Cypress]

why again was this switched out with CotH?

[burnpsy]

^ Bounce cards, reuse the thing.

 

Also, I heard that Konami explicitly stated that all banned cards would eventually be given a second chance. That would be why they unbanned Reborn.

[Cypress]

if what you say is true, ill just have to wait fir riryoku, feather dust, yata, etc. to get their turn

[Kira the Savior]

^ Bounce cards' date=' reuse the thing.

 

Also, I heard that Konami explicitly stated that all banned cards would eventually be given a second chance. That would be why they unbanned Reborn.

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So there might be a few brief months somewhere when i get to dig out..

1.My three Confiscations

2.My Cyber Jar

3.My yata

and of course......RAGEIKI!!!!!!

[burnpsy]

Emphasis on might.

 

Either way, I find it amusing that one sentence on a trading card has sparked 4 pages of discussion.