Advanced Clause Statistics Poll

[Tempest Dahlia]

Deffinetely not happy with it' date=' i got my thread locked for nothing, i wasnt here for 3 months how ws i supposed to know..........YCM and rules, seriously some modz take this website WAYYY to seriously

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I'm SO glad I wasn't the only one to notice this.

[galesonic]

You are correct Blazinghydra. I had even said it before' date=' that people would ignore the AC b/c it was unfair to some people. So as long as the AC is not manditory and the owners can choose to use it or not then I say we keep it.

 

However if it [i']is[/i] mandatory then it needs to be changed or removed (likely just changed)

 

I agree. If there is going to be at least an agreement to both parties, it should be changed to fit both's approval. That way it could be better.

[Tempest Dahlia]

^Thank you. That would be best. As long as it's changed for the better...

[Jake the Sage]

Thank you galesonic. If you give the owner the option to use the Advance Clause it will allow so called "elite" rpgers the chance to have RPGs they way they want. And yet those who don't "enjoy" the AC, per say, can join rpgs that they odn't constantly have to worry about getting kicked off of.

[galesonic]

Thank you galesonic. If you give the owner the option to use the Advance Clause it will allow so called "elite" rpgers the chance to have RPGs they way they want. And yet those who don't "enjoy" the AC' date=' per say, can join rpgs that they odn't constantly have to worry about getting kicked off of.

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Thats one of the most simpliest plans so far. However, rinne and xXShadiusXx enforce the Advance Clause to a point where Everyone has to use it. Though, I am for the Advance Clause, it shouldn't be enforced that much, where a lot of threads get locked in the RolePlaying section.

[Hydra of Ages]

The thing is... the AC -WAS- optional until recently; they decided to make it mandatory for a month trial period to see if it improved the quality of the RPs any.

 

Has it? Maybe a little. Since that's a little subjective, it's hard to judge, but I've seen less random RPs that never get past the first page and have a bazillion spelling errors in the 'plot' spoiler than I did prior to it.

 

I agree that we need to come to a conclusion satisfactory to both parties, however my issue is that simply returning to the way things are before this trial simply isn't fair to the 'elite' (as you dub them) roleplayers that this was attempted for in the first place. To be entirely frank, often times we're completely buried and eventually drowned in the sea of less-advanced RPs, since they can be more easilly made, and have rapid-fire responses, whereas 'elite' RPs often have lulls of various periods in between posts.

[Shradow]

The Advance Clause should continue. I can't add anything to what previous users have said, so I'll stick with that.

[Jake the Sage]

I know Rinne and Shadius agree with the plan, however I DO know that Shadius is not too keen on punishing those who broke the rules.

 

And making it optional would be the best thing to do in my opinion. It would give the "elite" players (so called because of their great writing skills) what they want and the normal everyday players a chance to join threads and hopefully improve.

 

Another thing i would also like to include is a short of "RPG School" where people can go and learn real lessions about how to improve your posts, etc etc. This would allow anyone who truly wished to improve the chance to get their wish. do believe that Dealer Umbra had attempted something along those lines already, but has removed it.

[Kaisu]

BTW, Jake, i've seen your posts. You said that you thought the advanced clause was a great way fo rnew rpers to improve, and yet you used script format. Hypocrytic or what?

 

I have agreed that we should negotiate, but it seems that MOST people are just going "Oh well, stuff the peace, let's just keep it our way." Remember, you guys have just made it boring. I say the AC rule must be changed if not made completly optional. I remember when I first came to this section. It was buzzing with action, it was fun. Something you guys seem to have forgotten. I'll rather have a spam-infested section that was fun rather than a stupid section with long posts.

 

Also, the 'random stuff' I had to put in included thoughts. Stupid, pointless thoughts that just repeated what he had though before. So... Unless something happens, a change of mods, a change in rules, you might just see me, and possibly another group of members, leave this section. So yeah. Think about the forum, not your stupid little talks about post quality. Again,

 

IF YOUR SO UP AND OVER WITH POST QUALITY, GO FIND ANOTHER FORUM.

[Tempest Dahlia]

^Epic...

Truly epic... Epically true... Mufufu...

AC needs a reform... and fast... members are getting agitated... they want change... mods... hear us... our opinions are most valuable... because...

 

we ARE YCM...

[Guest Merciful Idiot]

BTW' date=' Jake, i've seen your posts. You said that you thought the advanced clause was a great way fo rnew rpers to improve, and yet you used script format. Hypocrytic or what?

 

I have agreed that we should negotiate, but it seems that MOST people are just going "Oh well, stuff the peace, let's just keep it our way." Remember, you guys have just made it boring. I say the AC rule must be changed if not made completly optional. I remember when I first came to this section. It was buzzing with action, it was [i']fun[/i]. Something you guys seem to have forgotten. I'll rather have a spam-infested section that was fun rather than a stupid section with long posts.

 

Also, the 'random stuff' I had to put in included thoughts. Stupid, pointless thoughts that just repeated what he had though before. So... Unless something happens, a change of mods, a change in rules, you might just see me, and possibly another group of members, leave this section. So yeah. Think about the forum, not your stupid little talks about post quality. Again,

 

IF YOUR SO UP AND OVER WITH POST QUALITY, GO FIND ANOTHER FORUM.

[shadowferret]

Something had just occurred to me.

I remember someone saying, earlier in this thread, a comparison to a bird pushing its baby out of the nest. That got me thinking...

By having the Advanced Clause, doesn't it kind of hinder new RP'ers from improving?

I mean, there's a set of rules and criteria you must meet... rather than try to actually improve and, hell, evolve the style of writing, I think that a lot of the "lower level" RP'ers would be more preoccupied with just trying to meet the criteria. Hell, I know that sometimes I can't write as well as I'd want because it's not long enough. And a lot of times I have to throw in meaningless, repetitive details just to fill space.

Rather, if my RP'ing is bad, I want the other people RP'ing with me to tell me. I rather think having other RP'ers telling you what you need to fix -- hell, even if they're furious and yelling at you to fix it -- would be better than just trying to follow a predetermined set of rules. Besides, having a set of rules kind of limits how much people will actually grow.

As I stated, they'll be more preoccupied with trying to meet the criteria rather than actually try to evolve their skills.

 

I dunno, just something that came to mind...

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Something had just occurred to me.

I remember someone saying' date=' earlier in this thread, a comparison to a bird pushing its baby out of the nest. That got me thinking...

By having the Advanced Clause, doesn't it kind of hinder new RP'ers from improving?

I mean, there's a set of rules and criteria you must meet... rather than try to actually improve and, hell, evolve the style of writing, I think that a lot of the "lower level" RP'ers would be more preoccupied with just trying to meet the criteria. Hell, I know that sometimes I can't write as well as I'd want because it's not long enough. And a lot of times I have to throw in meaningless, repetitive details just to fill space.

Rather, if my RP'ing is bad, I want the other people RP'ing with me to tell me. I rather think having other RP'ers telling you what you need to fix -- hell, even if they're furious and yelling at you to fix it -- would be better than just trying to follow a predetermined set of rules. Besides, having a set of rules kind of limits how much people will actually grow.

As I stated, they'll be more preoccupied with trying to meet the criteria rather than actually try to evolve their skills.

 

I dunno, just something that came to mind...

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Yes, that's exactly what this Clause is doing, according to what I hear from other people.

[Big Bad Pennar]

Something had just occurred to me.

I remember someone saying' date=' earlier in this thread, a comparison to a bird pushing its baby out of the nest. That got me thinking...

By having the Advanced Clause, doesn't it kind of hinder new RP'ers from improving?

I mean, there's a set of rules and criteria you must meet... rather than try to actually improve and, hell, evolve the style of writing, I think that a lot of the "lower level" RP'ers would be more preoccupied with just trying to meet the criteria. Hell, I know that sometimes I can't write as well as I'd want because it's not long enough. And a lot of times I have to throw in meaningless, repetitive details just to fill space.

Rather, if my RP'ing is bad, I want the other people RP'ing with me to tell me. I rather think having other RP'ers telling you what you need to fix -- hell, even if they're furious and yelling at you to fix it -- would be better than just trying to follow a predetermined set of rules. Besides, having a set of rules kind of limits how much people will actually grow.

As I stated, they'll be more preoccupied with trying to meet the criteria rather than actually try to evolve their skills.

 

I dunno, just something that came to mind...

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Maybe i'll join a RP made by a godly RPer and start Repeating Ever action i do Twice.....

 

Anyway, That is another reason why i'm against the Advanced Clause, Because Smarter Members might take the Above Sentence into consideration to tick everyone in the RP off

[Otaku-sama]

Jk233, if you are not an RPer, then this discussion should not concern you. Talk here once you have experienced RPing yourself. Don't talk about things of which you have little knowledge in.

 

I will keep repeating my idea until a mod acknowledges it:

Label System

 

It's simple and allows common RPers to develop and elite RPers to RP at high levels at the same time, on the same forum. We shouldn't keep arguing over whether the AC should be kept completely or removed completely. I see now that both ways are bad. The solution is to allow both development and quality to exist together. Labels do that. AC isn't all bad though. Along with the controversial 4-line minimum, it also includes no annoying 'copy and paste' characters and no script speak. Those aren't bad are they?

 

My idea for the label system is that every level of RP has a different level of rules. The middle level will only have rules like mandatory grammar and no script speak. The high level RPs could have the reincarnation of the AC in its set of rules.

[.:Abarai Renji:.]

Something had just occurred to me.

I remember someone saying' date=' earlier in this thread, a comparison to a bird pushing its baby out of the nest. That got me thinking...

By having the Advanced Clause, doesn't it kind of hinder new RP'ers from improving?

I mean, there's a set of rules and criteria you must meet... rather than try to actually improve and, hell, evolve the style of writing, I think that a lot of the "lower level" RP'ers would be more preoccupied with just trying to meet the criteria. Hell, I know that sometimes I can't write as well as I'd want because it's not long enough. And a lot of times I have to throw in meaningless, repetitive details just to fill space.

Rather, if my RP'ing is bad, I want the other people RP'ing with me to tell me. I rather think having other RP'ers telling you what you need to fix -- hell, even if they're furious and yelling at you to fix it -- would be better than just trying to follow a predetermined set of rules. Besides, having a set of rules kind of limits how much people will actually grow.

As I stated, they'll be more preoccupied with trying to meet the criteria rather than actually try to evolve their skills.

 

I dunno, just something that came to mind...

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A wise one has spoken. Pay heed, or suffer.

 

You are truly a great man, Mr. ferret.

[Guest Merciful Idiot]

Say, does the poll do anything?

 

Anyway <_<, the advance clause has already destroyed many RP's.

 

Something had just occurred to me.

I remember someone saying' date=' earlier in this thread, a comparison to a bird pushing its baby out of the nest. That got me thinking...

By having the Advanced Clause, doesn't it kind of hinder new RP'ers from improving?

I mean, there's a set of rules and criteria you must meet... rather than try to actually improve and, hell, evolve the style of writing, I think that a lot of the "lower level" RP'ers would be more preoccupied with just trying to meet the criteria. Hell, I know that sometimes I can't write as well as I'd want because it's not long enough. And a lot of times I have to throw in meaningless, repetitive details just to fill space.

Rather, if my RP'ing is bad, I want the other people RP'ing with me to tell me. I rather think having other RP'ers telling you what you need to fix -- hell, even if they're furious and yelling at you to fix it -- would be better than just trying to follow a predetermined set of rules. Besides, having a set of rules kind of limits how much people will actually grow.

As I stated, they'll be more preoccupied with trying to meet the criteria rather than actually try to evolve their skills.

 

I dunno, just something that came to mind...

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Good words, Sir Ferret.

[fenrir]

I find it sad that the people who are against the AC apparently are incapable of adding 3 sentences to a one-liner.

[Guest Merciful Idiot]

I'm against the AC but I'm perfectly capable of adding 3 sentences to a one-liner. And so is Flandre (I think and I'm sure).

[fenrir]

I'm fully aware that Flandre is more than capable, you, I couldn't care less.

 

I've actually left the forum because of the randomly made noobish rps filled with one-liners. And personally, finding other forums to RP on isn't such a bad idea.

 

One forum, had a system to filter out the noobish rpers from the non-noobish.

 

It involved 3 sections. The first, was the RP Academy. People who are against the AC, would probably go there. RP volunteers would RP with these guys, and sort of set an example for them.

 

The next section had regular RPers. This section is much like the AC. Infact, people here sometimes posted several paragraphs.

 

The last section was probably not needed, but it was the advanced section. It featured extremely talented RPers. Usually only 5 or 6.

 

Supposedly, RPers in the academy section were able to eventually move on into the regular RP section. Although this system will most likely not be implemented, it did solve every problem. As both sides RPed in peace.

[Skuldur]

All I know' date=' is SOMETHING needs to be done.

If it continues like this, like I said before, people will lose interest.

So, if the AC isn't destroyed, at least it needs to be changed so that is is either

*Optional

*for 'Advanced' RPers, or

*Tagged.

This will add diversity and variety to RP's, I think.

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If Rps are nothing but 1 lines, people will lose interest even faster.

 

Also, there will be hardly any times when you can't write 4 lines for a responce AS LONG as the person you're responding to wrote at least 4 lines.

 

Responding with 4 lines to a 1-2 line post = Hard

Responding with 4 lines to a 4-7 line post = Easy

 

I have agreed that we should negotiate' date=' but it seems that MOST people are just going "Oh well, stuff the peace, let's just keep it our way." Remember, you guys have just made it boring. I say the AC rule must be changed if not made completly optional. I remember when I first came to this section. It was buzzing with action, it was [i']fun[/i]. Something you guys seem to have forgotten. I'll rather have a spam-infested section that was fun rather than a stupid section with long posts.

 

Also, the 'random stuff' I had to put in included thoughts. Stupid, pointless thoughts that just repeated what he had though before. So... Unless something happens, a change of mods, a change in rules, you might just see me, and possibly another group of members, leave this section. So yeah. Think about the forum, not your stupid little talks about post quality. Again,

 

IF YOUR SO UP AND OVER WITH POST QUALITY, GO FIND ANOTHER FORUM.

 

Now let me tell you a story. When I first went to the RP Section to try and Rp for the first time, I always tried to write 4 lines. I thought it a great way to gain post count. But unfortunately almost all the Rps were filled with 1 liners. I could hardly respond with 4 lines. So out of BOREDOM, I left!

 

If you want to have a spam fest go to the Games Section.

 

Oh wait, you want the post count.

 

It's not our fault that you guys don't have enough imagination to write 4 lines.

 

EITHER KEEP THE ADVANCED CLAUSE OR REMOVE POST COUNT FROM RP!

[JG.]

Eh, I don't even RP, but I'm an anti-elitist, so yeah...

[fenrir]

Eh' date=' I don't even RP, but I'm an anti-elitist, so yeah...

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If you don't RP, you shouldn't even be here.

[Otaku-sama]

I'm against the AC but I'm perfectly capable of adding 3 sentences to a one-liner. And so is Flandre (I think and I'm sure).

 

If you are capable of writing four lines, then why are you against the AC? If you could, you should know that responding to posts that are one liners is infuriating to do. Due to your fustration, you also respond with a one liner. Like violence and revenge, one liners only beget more one liners. If everyone could write at least 4 lines, then even the most inane RPs could stay alive longer because people have enough information to base their posts off of.

 

I think that people who RP badly for post count should just GTFO. They can get post count 1000x faster at the spam fest that is the Games section. They don't have to pollute the RP section too.

 

If the people who genuinely enjoy RPing who haven't developed their literary skill yet should be allowed to develop without the line minimum. This is why defining the elite RPs and the normal RPs apart from each other is necessary. We either need to get the admin in to create seperate RP sub forums or use the label system.

[Big Bad Pennar]

Responding with 4 lines to a 1-2 line post = Hard for Fools

Responding with 4 lines to a 4-7 line post = Easy

 

Fixed... I can Easily extract 4 lines of info to respond to a 1-2 line post

 

I'm against the AC but I'm perfectly capable of adding 3 sentences to a one-liner. And so is Flandre (I think and I'm sure).

 

If you are capable of writing four lines' date=' then why are you against the AC? If you could, you should know that responding to posts that are one liners is infuriating to do. Due to your fustration, you also respond with a one liner. Like violence and revenge, one liners only beget more one liners. If everyone could write at least 4 lines, then even the most inane RPs could stay alive longer because people have enough information to base their posts off of.

 

I think that people who RP badly for post count should just GTFO. They can get post count 1000x faster at the spam fest that is the Games section. They don't have to pollute the RP section too.

 

If the people who genuinely enjoy RPing who haven't developed their literary skill yet should be allowed to develop without the line minimum. This is why defining the elite RPs and the normal RPs apart from each other is necessary. We either need to get the admin in to create seperate RP sub forums or use the label system.

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First Otaku-sama, He hates the advanced clause, possibly due to the same reason as me, He is standing in others Shoes, looking at what others see.. Second, I am no fool to get frustrated over 1-liners, I still make 3-4 liners in response to 1-liners, Thirdly, Games Posts do NOT count, Finally, I agree to the Final Paragraph.......