Why do people hate Vanillas?

[Sploda]

I know that this topic has probably been gone over like 100 times but I want to know why? What cause people to leave the Normal cards behind in favor of effects? I for one cannot make a single decent effect that hasn't already been done in some way. What I can do is create unique backstories for Normal monsters. Sadly No matter what I try, I recieve low ratings just because they are Normal cards.

 

I'm saddened by this and I wish for people to view the Normal cards as equals to the Effect cards. The Normals came first, They are the Original Yugioh cards. Why do we (as in YCM in general) hate them so?

[.Requiem]

Boring, nothing to them at all.

 

Simply bland.

 

Nothing ground breaking, effects can change the outcome of a duel.

 

Blah blah blah

 

You're going to get the same answer over and over again.

[Sploda]

That doesn't answer my question. Normals have a place within every deck. And seeing as how the cards made with this site can't be used in a duel, why does that matter? Normals can be interesting and unique without having to discard 3 cards or pay 700 Life Points. Their backstory can inspire new Ideas for Rps or tell you what kind of person that card maker is.

[.Requiem]

That doesn't answer my question. Normals have a place within every deck.

 

Well it sort of does' date=' that would be the general answer you will be getting.

 

Not every card in the game can be put in every deck so normals can't be placed in every deck. You a specific deck just to run Normals and most people probably run Geminis over Normals.

 

And seeing as how the cards made with this site can't be used in a duel, why does that matter?

 

Actually there is away thanks to yangininja or whatever his name is. He created some programs that you could add custom cards to YVD and use them to duel. So there is a way.

 

Normals can be interesting and unique without having to discard 3 cards or pay 700 Life Points. Their backstory can inspire new Ideas for Rps or tell you what kind of person that card maker is.

 

Normals can be unique, but only really in their story. All the why create a card when you could simply make an RP? I don't see many people that would read a card and just inspired to make an RP. Also if you really want to know someone just ask them, you will only rarely see someone who would be put some feeling into what they are writing.

[Sploda]

I can see that we have diffrent points of View on this subject.

 

Normals are what started Yugioh, like I said earlier. If they wern't meant to be used, then why were they made in the first place?

 

And when I said "used in a duel" I meant as in TCG. as in real cards and mats and stuff.

 

I didn't say it was likely people would be inspired. Also you are wrong, every author of every book has put their feelings into that book. For you to say that it happens rarely is a flasehood, Makeing a series of cards is like writing a book. You have to balance it out. A balanced card set includes Normal cards, Effect cards, Spell and Trap cards.

[Guest JoshIcy]

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-144571.html

[Sploda]

Yes I saw that thread. but I want to know why it stands alone. Why aren't there more threads supporting Normals? There is that thread, and the Vanilla Protectors club. 2 threads on the entire forum, thats sad.

[.Requiem]

I can see that we have diffrent points of View on this subject.

 

Yep' date=' we certainly do.

 

Normals are what started Yugioh, like I said earlier. If they wern't meant to be used, then why were they made in the first place?

 

Well they did start the game, but things change. Well people finds ways to use them, so they aren't completely useless.

 

And when I said "used in a duel" I meant as in TCG. as in real cards and mats and stuff.

 

You can print them out' date=' but you cannot use them officially.

 

I didn't say it was likely people would be inspired. Also you are wrong, every author of every book has put their feelings into that book.

 

Not every author, you can just write a book for the sake of writing a book.

 

For you to say that it happens rarely is a flasehood' date=' Makeing a series of cards is like writing a book.

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What word do you mean by 'flasehood'?

 

Well you have to take steps to do what you are doing.

 

Also a balance set doesn't necessarily need normals you can have a set without them. It is like saying you have to add a synchro/fusion monster to every set.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Yes I saw that thread. but I want to know why it stands alone. Why aren't there more threads supporting Normals? There is that thread' date=' and the Vanilla Protectors club. 2 threads on the entire forum, thats sad.

[/quote']

 

Thats all Normals are to most people... Flavor Text.

 

And it takes a different mindset to be open to them, due to the mass number of different kinds of cards running around. You cannot expect the masses to enjoy them as the select few do. Not to mention, since the best way to make them is with a Story in mind. And a large series of cards with S/T cards; this leaves out the whole Duel Terminal Formula (all Monster sets). Crippling a lot of cardmakers...

 

So imho, only make a Vanilla Set if you're dedicated to each card type and have an interest intelling a story with your cards (flavor text and cards tell).

 

Also, X-31... Stop doing that. It's not only annoying, but shows cowardice that you cannot take it as a single whole.

[Blamonchesix]

People don't hate it. Its just hard to be creative when the only thing you can put your style unto are the names, image, and flavor text.

In terms of dueling capabilities, Vanillas aren't exactly as useful as other Effect monsters. Vanillas have originality and style which is good, but they don't really give you a big advantage when you're actually using them to duel.

[Sploda]

Yes I saw that thread. but I want to know why it stands alone. Why aren't there more threads supporting Normals? There is that thread' date=' and the Vanilla Protectors club. 2 threads on the entire forum, thats sad.

[/quote']

 

Thats all Normals are to most people... Flavor Text.

 

And it takes a different mindset to be open to them, due to the mass number of different kinds of cards running around. You cannot expect the masses to enjoy them as the select few do. Not to mention, since the best way to make them is with a Story in mind. And a large series of cards with S/T cards; this leaves out the whole Duel Terminal Formula (all Monster sets). Crippling a lot of cardmakers...

 

So imho, only make a Vanilla Set if you're dedicated to each card type and have an interest intelling a story with your cards (flavor text and cards tell).

 

Also, X-31... Stop doing that. It's not only annoying, but shows cowardice that you cannot take it as a single whole.

 

I really think people need to open their minds to this kind of Idea. I have several Normal card sets with a story behind them, they all just got shot down though. I won't make a set with just Normals, Traps and Spells but I will also throw in Effects and Fusions. I won't make Synchros, I hate them.

[Jolta]

No seriously, I don't find a reason to hate Vanillas, you guys give the worst excuses to hate Vanillas.

 

I'm serious.

 

I mean, don't hate stuff for being "Boring" or "Useless"

 

You call Blue-Eyes Ultimate Boring?

 

Ya know something, some REAL Vanillas don't have support. Like Snapesnatch, or- wait, what's the name?

 

Anyways, I know the answer is no different from why people hate dull effects.

 

Sometimes, people hate both Fake Types and Vanillas. IMO, Everyone should like either, or like both.

 

Hating both = Bad.

[.Requiem]

Also' date=' X-31... Stop doing that. It's not only annoying, but shows cowardice that you cannot take it as a single whole.

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Well it might be annoying, but not much to it.

 

Also it doesn't really show how I am coward, just never felt like making much use of them.

[Sploda]

People don't hate it. Its just hard to be creative when the only thing you can put your style unto are the names' date=' image, and flavor text.

In terms of dueling capabilities, Vanillas aren't exactly as useful as other Effect monsters. Vanillas have originality and style which is good, but they don't really give you a big advantage when you're actually using them to duel.

[/quote']

 

They don't need to. Look at Blue Eyes White Dragon for example. It can add alot to a deck and its a Normal. Same for Red Eyes B. Dragon.

[Jolta]

Oh yes, you'll never need support.

 

As long as there is a card that supports its Archtype, Type, Subtypee - Wait, Vanillas don't have a Subtype! Attribute or Level, its OK. The Vanilla will be useful then. It has no need support for the specific monster.

[Blamonchesix]

People don't hate it. Its just hard to be creative when the only thing you can put your style unto are the names' date=' image, and flavor text.

In terms of dueling capabilities, Vanillas aren't exactly as useful as other Effect monsters. Vanillas have originality and style which is good, but they don't really give you a big advantage when you're actually using them to duel.

[/quote']

 

They don't need to. Look at Blue Eyes White Dragon for example. It can add alot to a deck and its a Normal. Same for Red Eyes B. Dragon.

 

Yes. Blue Eyes White Dragon is the most powerful Normal LV 8 Monster which makes him an ideal icon card. But given a choice with say a Dragon Deck and you can only put 1 more card, would you rather have Blue Eyes, or a Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon?

 

The Normal monsters which I consider quite useful without any other support are:

- LV 6 - Frostosaurus

and

- LV 4 - Gene-Warped Warwolf

 

I don't hate vanillas. I just don't like them forced to be liked to other people. XP

[Sploda]

for one, I'm not focing people to like them. I just want to know why the people who do don't stand up for them. And Darkness Metal wouldn't even exist without Red Eyes B. Dragon which is a Normal.

[Jonny]

Or look at Dark Magician thats a good example.

[Blamonchesix]

for one' date=' I'm not focing people to like them. I just want to know why the people who do don't stand up for them. And Darkness Metal wouldn't even exist without Red Eyes B. Dragon which is a Normal.

[/quote']

 

Hmm... you have point.

I actually support and make vanillas too.

But personally, I just think that they're not as useful as those with effects in a duel. They're good for collecting though.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I'm probably going to guess that people hate Vanillas b/c they have no game changing effect, etc.

 

But personally, I don't hate vanillas

[Jolta]

No, seriously, why not one of you try to duel each other in a Vanilla-only duel and see if its fun.

 

Tell me about it. Then you'll learn to love'em.

[Sploda]

Alright new question. If so many people like Normals and support them, why aren't there more of them? I'm not saying every card in a set has to be one, but a few just so the set his versitile. I mean even level 3 Normals can be useful. Why tribute an effect monster if you can tribute a lower level card without an effect? Normals have a place within sets, I want to see people put them there.

[Lonk]

Nothing is wrong with vanilla, they can be pretty good, but effect monsters just have a better justification system than vanilla. For example, the vanilla monster liquid slime is a level three with 900 ATK (correct me if I got the ATK wrong) while the effect monster spirit reaper is at the same level but has 300 ATK, which is low for it's level. However, it is a level 3 monster because his effect makes up the bulk of the monster. You understand where I am getting at right?

[Eury]

No seriously' date=' I don't find a reason to hate Vanillas, you guys give the worst excuses to hate Vanillas.

 

I'm serious.

 

I mean, don't hate stuff for being "Boring" or "Useless"

 

You call Blue-Eyes Ultimate Boring?

 

Ya know something, some REAL Vanillas don't have support. Like Snapesnatch, or- wait, what's the name?

 

Anyways, I know the answer is no different from why people hate dull effects.

 

Sometimes, people hate both Fake Types and Vanillas. IMO, Everyone should like either, or like both.

 

Hating both = Bad.

[/quote']

 

Blue Eyes Ultimate is a 4500 beatstick that's easier than hell to summon and has a ton of support. Find me another vanilla like that and I'll call BEUD boring.

 

People hate Fake-Types cause people always post them in Realistic. Realistic is for cards that could actually be made into real cards.

 

Vanillas are bad and boring w/out support. If people would just make support for them we wouldn't have threads like this.

[Infinitus]

Vanillas are disliked because they are bland, boring, and doesn't take creativity to make.

 

Anyone can think of a simple backstory for a card, slap on an image, think of a name, and put some numbers at the bottom.

 

It takes plenty of creativity and innovativeness to make an effect that is flexible and able in different situations in the card game.

 

But why can't Normals be used strategically? Why can't you summon a Normal, equip an Axe of Despair, and call it a good strategy?

 

Because the card game is evolving. It has gone past the use of pumping up a monster's ATK points as a main priority. The game involves more strategy, more thinking.

 

As the game evolved, so did people's taste. They have seen strategy, thinking, complexity, and they like it. Normals are now too simple, and they are no longer significant.

 

If you would like to use Normals, create supporting equip cards that give it effects, trap cards that support them, or other things. Maybe some supporting flip effects, etc.

 

If you need effect ideas, I could pull something out of my head for ya.