[Debate] Is fate predetermined?

[AlucardTheOld]

Yeah the second meaning is the one that I was referring to.

[Wuu.]

Only those who decide to become priest, their fate will be predetermined.

 

For the rest i believe this is bullshit, tchh, predetermined.

[Guest Uchiha Itachi]

i believe that you have free will...if you want me to continue then pm me...

[Death Metal]

Free will is an illusion, something that gives hope and meaning.

 

Humans have a hard time comprehending that their life is already predetermined.

 

For example, lets say you can see into the future.

 

The future says that you will make a life changing mistake.

 

Ultimately you will end up making the mistake because of the steps you've taken to try to avoid it.

 

Conclusion: You made the mistake because you foresaw the mistake.

 

I can probably fit in something about paradoxes and parallel universes right here but i'm sure this has already been covered.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Fate is not predetermined.

How can I say this?

Because I am the allmighty god that chose whether it will be.

[Yasu]

I changed my opinion D:

The voices told me that your actions can be predetermined by almost infinite number of factors; Genetics, social context, etc.

At first I tough that was convincing, but after some deep reasoning I told them: "What if I just use dices or coins (or random.org) to take important decisions?".

They didn't replied D:

Now I'm confused...

(tl;dr: Strict determinism is not possible, but free will is not any better, lol.)

I'm neutral, bishes >:3

[Grunt Issun]

Heres what im thinking, when your born a preferred path is picked for you. but if a phsychic tells you your future, you can change it by doing somthing differant from what the prediction says.

 

 

 

(on a side note, good people can choose to be bad, but bad born people can not become good)

[The Dark One]

I changed my opinion D:

The voices told me that your actions can be predetermined by almost infinite number of factors; Genetics' date=' social context, etc.

At first I tough that was convincing, but after some deep reasoning I told them: "What if I just use dices or coins (or random.org) to take important decisions?".

They didn't replied D:

Now I'm confused...

(tl;dr: Strict determinism is not possible, but free will is not any better, lol.)

I'm neutral, bishes >:3

 

I went over that specific possibility earlier in the thread, I believe.

 

The weight and balance of the dice, the grain of the table on which they are cast, the weather conditions in the area in which they are cast, the muscle tension in your arm during the casting, etc. merely become more determining factors. It is not random.

 

Furthermore, even if there was a complete absence of information. Even if a die was truly random, this simply means that chance itself is another determining factor.

[Guest tonymann]

I believe that everything thing we do is just completely random

[Dr. Cakey]

I believe that everything thing we do is just completely random

You mean like how you necrobump'd this topic by pure chance?

[King of Yesonia]

The world may be fixed, but we have the power to alter our future.

[Tentacruel]

You know, for something that is completely pre-determined, people sure take this sh*t seriously.

[MortalKombatSmoke]

I think that fate exists only in the mind of those who believe in fate. Fate is decided by ones actions and self discoveries, in this sense there is no future that is cut in stone, but a future you make for yourself.

[Blaze Pyro]

Life is like a Sat Nav. You're given a destination, but which route you take is up to you.

 

You don't get complete freedom because as you make some decisions it narrows down your later options: if you choose to jump infront of a bus, you won't have the ability to run a marathon the next day.

 

What happens isn't entirely up to you. Other people causing traffic congestions can cause you to be re-routed. If you get put into a different class to your girlfriend when you go back to school, you won't be able to copy each other's answers in Geography.

 

Over time your options get narrowed down but I don't think you'll ever have only 1 option in life, you'll always have some sort of choice.

[Ghoulish]

nah i don't believe in fate and destiny. I believe that we need to strive for things, putting in effort allows you to surpass both expectations and your own limits allowing you to basically overcome any fate theory you have for yourself.

[Βyakuya]

How did this get necrobumped? *facepalm* Reported.