Heavy Storm

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Gyarados - Water - HP130

Stage 1 - Evolves from Magikarp

 

[C] Thrash: 30 damage. Flip a coin. If heads' date=' this attack does 30 damage plus 20 more damage. If tails, Gyarados does 20 damage to itself.

[W'][C][C][C] Heavy Storm: 70 damage.

 

Weakness: Lightning x2

Resistance: Fighting -20

Retreat: 3

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[VolTama]

Gyarados himself is awesome, but I'd rather not go through Magikarp for him. Should've had Fire resistance instead of Fighting, too. =/

 

Wait... we're discussing Heavy Storm?

[burnpsy]

Wait... we're discussing Heavy Storm?

 

Yes.

[VolTama]

I was joking. =/

 

Anyways... don't Heavy Storm discussions turn into "it should/shouldn't be banned because insert explanation about how it punishes over extension here"?

[RyanAtlus]

Not again...

I think that *insert larry rage here* and THAT, gentlemen, is why Storm should be banned.

 

(For more explanation, check the other 531 topics in which I raged about Storm.)

[-Griffin]

Banning Heavy is one of the worst things that could happen to the game.

 

(For more explanation, check the other 5312 topics that people understood logic.)

[Toffee.]

This topic is, indeed, brilliant.

Because it contains Gyrados.

 

Methinks that the reason they are releasing a Shiny Gyrados, is because they had released a Shiny Gyrados in Neo Destiny, which was at the time of Gold/Silver's release.

[RyanAtlus]

Banning Heavy is one of the worst things that could happen to the game.

 

(For more explanation' date=' check the other 5312 topics that people understood logic.)

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Konami Worker 1: So...should we give continuous cards another chance or...

Konami Worker 2: NEVER! THIS IS SPARTAAAA!

Konami Worker 2: Okay, you win. We're keeping Storm.

[Toffee.]

Konami bans Heavy Storm.

The next day, we get this:

[Coffee Black]

Is 70 damage good in the Pokemon card game?

Oh yeah, if Heavy Storm gets banned, i'll be quite sad. (MST at 2 or 3 if that would happen?)

[RyanAtlus]

Is 70 damage good in the Pokemon card game?

 

Decent, but requiring 4 Energy cards...

I'd rather play Machamp, who is comparable to DAD.

[burnpsy]

Is 70 damage good in the Pokemon card game?

 

Decent' date=' but requiring 4 Energy cards...

I'd rather play Machamp, who is comparable to DAD.

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This.

 

Also, the same set contains Jumpluff, who can hit up to 120 for 1. >_____>

[Toffee.]

Also' date=' the same set contains Jumpluff, who can hit up to 120 for 1. >_____>

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Stormfront Drifblim is a walking 'A Feather of the Phoenix', but doesnt cost energy to use.

[burnpsy]

Also' date=' the same set contains Jumpluff, who can hit up to 120 for 1. >_____>

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Stormfront Drifblim is a walking 'A Feather of the Phoenix', but doesnt cost energy to use.

 

LOL, this makes me want to start a discussion about A Feather of the Phoenix with Drifblim in the first post. xD

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Banning Heavy is one of the worst things that could happen to the game.

 

(For more explanation' date=' check the other 5312 topics that people understood logic.)

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Konami Worker 1: So...should we give continuous cards another chance or...

Konami Worker 2: NEVER! THIS IS SPARTAAAA!

Konami Worker 2: Okay, you win. We're keeping Storm.

 

Continuous cards aren't unplayable because of storm, they're unplayable because of monster-based destruction like DAD/JD/Gyzarus.

[b0b3rt]

If storm was the reason that nobody played cont. cards, people would run bribe in 3s.

[The Borg]

What would happen if a card that makes it so all continuos traps on the field except it may not be destroyed would they all go to the graveyard?

[burnpsy]

Updated image to English.

 

What would happen if a card that makes it so all continuos traps on the field except it may not be destroyed would they all go to the graveyard?

 

Uhh... what? You mean like Imperial Customs?

[Flame Dragon]

For some reason this thread make me want to start making my pokemon yugioh cards. It think it has something to do with Gyara's bad ass pic.

 

We need a Lightning Vortex style Heavy Storm.

[Tronta]

ok.

here's the thread:

yes it punishes over extension

it also reduces the cardpool of the game, limiting it to only chainable sts and crippling decks dependent on sts.

 

what we've decided:

the card should be banned, but a vortex-esque replacement should be made.

 

happy?

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[GenzoTheHarpist]

Heavy storm at one cripples decks dependent on spells/traps? No, it absolutely does not in any way. Continuous traps were much more playable once, and heavy storm as around then as well. It' the field nuker-type cards that are rendering continuous unplayable.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

Heavy Storm is fine at 1.

 

if they ban it, people will start maining Dusts at 2-3 and MST will be considered staple material.

 

Harpie's was far worse than Storm ever was anyway...

[-Griffin]

Heavy doesn't punish Decks with large backrows, those should be main-ing Bribe or some other out to Heavy. The main thing it punishes is over-extension in Decks that weren't planned to over-extend. A good thing.

[Tronta]

maining bribe is your excuse? situational nonsense. if you've ever run a deck dependent on counter traps to function you know that they're one and all, absolute sheet, with the exception of solemn. only reason solemn isnt sheet is because it stops anything. the reason the others are sheet is that they're almost all -1's, woefully unchainable, and you never have the right counter at the right time. bribe vs jd, wrath vs heavy, etc etc. bribe is garbage. and the sad fact of maining two or three to keep up with a meta that can, if it so chooses, blow up the back field twice per turn, every turn, is.. well, a sad fact.

 

a deck relying on oppression, skill drain or macro? yea. heavy insta gibs that. i dont know what meta you're all playing in, but it takes a turn. one turn. heavy storm, double judgment, normal lumina who gets ryko, special plague, sync for who gives a sheet the games already over and it could have ended 18 other ways. "oh but he should have had dark bribe" yea. k. celestia. oh wait, there it goes. too bad it's a worthless counter trap that cant stop sheet.

 

harpies worse than heavy? that was someones argument? and raigeki was worse than dark hole. doesnt mean they both arent bannable. CED is worse than jd, but they should both be banned. and mst is considered a staple by many.

 

i cant believe we're even having this discussion. again.

cant i just link the last topic?

heavy storm can punish overextension. this does not mean that every usage of heavy storm is punishment of overextension. arguing different is retarded. heavy storm is just another card played to protect one's own plans and swings. if heavy storm -1's you, is that overextension? what if you needed both those cards? all 3 or 4 or 5 of those cards? why does a card exist that renders the FINAL deck type pointless? tell me you'll run bribe in that. go ahead. then you can sit there with FINABRIBE till jd or dad or gyz or your grandmother hits the field.

 

as it stands, there is too much general and st destruction in this meta. this, overall, renders a lot of st dependent decks useless and cuts the card pool into a fraction of what it once was.

 

heavy is a major player in this effect, as it appears in every deck.

 

these two points arent really arguable.

i honestly dont believe st destruction should be as cheap as it is. and it's seriously cheap. and heavy is the vanguard of pain here.

 

now before you recycle that same "it's needed to punish over extension" that you heard from crab helmet or jd a year ago and havent stopped repeating because it makes you sound smart, consider that they can add another card to fill the void. maybe a discard one to heavy storm, or discard one to harpies feather duster. maybe pay 1k lp? 500 is too low. there should be a cost.

we agreed upon this last time after pages of arguing.

 

if one of you dicks agrees with that statement, and just decided to pick on one of the points of the argument without actually disagreeing with its conclusion, you deserve not only to be banned, but castrated. you arent showing off your wit, you arent starting an intellectual discussion, you arent scoring brownie points with your god, crab helmet. you're just an jabroni.

[RyanAtlus]

So you're saying that storm isn't the problem because Celestia, JD and Gyzarius are around?

That's bullsh!t, because all of the above are bannable (or limitable, by Konami's logic).

Once all four of them are banned, I do indeed see people maining Dust or siding Mobius. But not yet. Let's wait till March before we start rediscussing again.