[ Yugioh DQ: ] Vice Despair Dragon and F-HERO Winona!

[chizuruotohime]

Source :Yugioh Card Maker Wikia

Source2 :Fancy Hero Winona

 

the first card peak at the yugioh DQ manga special~!!!!

 

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[spoiler=Effect]This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by "Vice Pandora Dragon".Once per turn, select 1 monster your opponent controls.This card gains ATK equals to that monster's ATK. When this card attacks, negate the effect(s) of the attack target monster until the end of Damage Step. When this card destroys a monster and sends it to the Graveyard, you can destroy 1 card on the field. During your opponent's turn, this card's ATK is reduced to half and it cannot be destroyed in battle. If this face-up card would be destroyed by a card effect, remove from play 1 "Vice" monster from your Graveyard to negate its destruction.

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[align=center][spoiler=Effect] There can only be 1 face-up "Fancy Hero Winona" on the field. Once per turn, you can activate 1 of the following effects:

 

● When a " Fancy Hero" monster you control inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent's Life Points, destroy 1 Spell or Trap Card your opponent controls.

 

● When a " Fancy Hero" monster you control destroys a monster in Battle and sends it to Graveyard, add 1 " Fancy Hero" monster from your deck to your hand.

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[The0]

0_0 OPed ! very very Oped xD you could find a better pic

 

5.50/10 :/

[chizuruotohime]

But that's a better pic, its hand drawn by my artist, Jadenkaiba!

 

It's just balanced for a Lvl 12 monster, that supposed to be that powered.

[The0]

Ah sorry ^^ so ... hum ... 7.5/10

[Jolta]

Its hard to draw such a Dragon.

 

Vice Archetype? Can't wait to see more of it.

 

9/10

[cmc1234]

Jaden already sent me a link to this card. Its such an image pic but its not the size of a card

 

You should say it cant be Special Summoned except by the effect of "Vice Pandora Dragon".

 

Whats the point of reducing the cards ATK if it cant be destroyed. The ATK gain is unnecessary because its ATK is already high enough.

 

Incredible op'd.

7/10

[Exa Raiun]

Well, I'm not sure about that card...

I would like to know about the "Vice Pandora Dragon" to check its playability. The stats are indeed very high, and its protection seems a bit too good. Question - for the last effect, can you remove from play "Vice Dragon" (if you don't know which one I'm talking about, check the wiki) from your Graveyard? Until I don't get the answers, I cannot judge this card.

[Guest Zeonark]

Well' date=' I'm not sure about that card...

I would like to know about the "Vice Pandora Dragon" to check its playability. The stats are indeed very high, and its protection seems a bit too good.[/quote']

 

This.

Plus, it's immortality in battle during your opponent's turn still overdoes it a bit.

 

Maybe take that part off?

[Chaos Flame]

I agree with exa. Venominaga seems OP until you look at what is needed to summon it. Unless it requires like a 4 card combo, I can't really see this ever being playable. 8/10

[chizuruotohime]

@cmc

of course~!! its a level 12~!! the only weakness is it when u summon it and the opponent plays bottomless trap hole and cards that can remove from play, ex: Dark core...dimensional prison or cards that can bring back monsters to hand like grand mole..gale lizard..golem sentry.

 

@jolta

yes vice archetype used by "Pandora".

 

@Exa

Thanks and of course because it has "vice" on its name right??

[cmc1234]

i understand its level 12. It still rapes any deck and almost any monster. Its would be a tad more balanced if i knew what Pandora Dragon was. I know he didnt draw it.

[Exa Raiun]

The problem is that even if the monster is Level 12, we should know about how hard to Summon this one. If it's too easy to summon, the high Level doesn't matter, it will be still overpowered. And for this, we have to know Vice Pandora Dragon.

And well... this one has 5000 ATK and DEF, just like F.G.D./Five-Headed Dragon, Dragon Master Knight and Sin Truth Dragon (and I have to admit, I am not fond of the Sin archetype). The fact this card is the counterpart of Sin Truth Dragon makes me feel a bit odd about the card.

Until I know more about the Vice archetype, I cannot tell anything more.

[chizuruotohime]

Vice Pandora Dragon is a synchro monster and soon to released...unless Jadenkaiba submitted it now....

[Exa Raiun]

Fancy Hero Winona: A slightly changed version of Elemental Hero Stratos. The activation effect makes it probably a bit more balanced than the original. Still, it's on par with Breaker the Magical Warrior and other similar cards, considering its effect can activate even when this card herself inflicts Battle Damage/destroys a monster by battle. I am not sure... the card loses a bit in creativity for being an almost copy of Stratos... and the balance is comparably edgy, too. 6.5/10

[Max Darkness]

Vice Despair Dragon

 

Vice Pandora Dragon is a synchro monster and soon to released...unless Jadenkaiba submitted it now....

 

Could you give us the effect of "Vice Pandora Dragon"? Because as it stands' date=' "Vice Despair Dragon" is hugely overpowered. Compared to the only other Lv.12 ATK gainer ("Dragon Master Knight") this is very easy to summon.

 

And because of its effect, it will almost always inflict 5000 damage to your opponent. There are only a few cards that can actually launch a counterattack. The "Earthbound Immortal" monsters (since they can't be targeted) and "Relinquished" since it can equip this card. Although "Relinquished" won't be able to deal damage to your Life Points since this thing also negates the target's effect.

 

Unfortunately, even cards that return it to the hand aren't too much use since once it's been properly S.Summoned, it can be S.Summoned with a few other cards. (If it's returned to the hand, use "Allure of Darkness", then "Burial from the Different Dimension" (also if it's been RFPed with "B.T.H."), then "Call of the Haunted". And it's back.)

 

Unless "Vice Pandora Dragon" is almost impossible to summon, self-destructs quickly, or needs a selection of cards to activate its effect; this card is utterly broken.

 

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Fancy Hero Winona

 

Like Exa Raiun said, this is basically a direct counterpart-copy of Stratos. I would change the effect to be more in line with "Fancy Hero" effects; not E.Hero effects.

 

And the effect (at the moment) should read:

 

There can only be 1 face-up "Fancy Hero Winona" on the field. Once per turn, you can select and activate 1 of the following effects:

● When a "Fancy Hero" monster you control inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent, destroy 1 Spell or Trap Card your opponent controls.

● When a "Fancy Hero" monster you control destroys a monster by Battle and sends it to Graveyard, add 1 (Level Limit?) "Fancy Hero" monster from your Deck to your hand.

 

 

Not as good as usual.

 

5/10

[Killey]

Well, there is a Fancy Hero thread which explicity states that the F-Heroes are essentially female power ups of E-Heroes.

[Max Darkness]

Well' date=' there is a Fancy Hero thread which explicity states that the F-Heroes are essentially female power ups of E-Heroes.

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However, it and the YCM Wikia entry both state they are counterparts, not copies of the E.Heros.

[Lexadin]

The 1st is rediculously OP.

I just hope its tribute more ballenced and hard to summon.

Second is ok.

Pic's are great.

OCg is good.

Never knew there was a YCMwikia.

A 8/10

[Wuu.]

Damn, i want one of those pictures.

[why me]

10/10,but could you add them to your unfinished set at http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-144951.html?highlight=fancy+hero

[chizuruotohime]

Fancy Hero Winona: A slightly changed version of Elemental Hero Stratos. The activation effect makes it probably a bit more balanced than the original. Still' date=' it's on par with Breaker the Magical Warrior and other similar cards, considering its effect can activate even when this card herself inflicts Battle Damage/destroys a monster by battle. I am not sure... the card loses a bit in creativity for being an almost copy of Stratos... and the balance is comparably edgy, too. 6.5/10

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If u say so....

 

Vice Despair Dragon

 

Vice Pandora Dragon is a synchro monster and soon to released...unless Jadenkaiba submitted it now....

 

Could you give us the effect of "Vice Pandora Dragon"? Because as it stands' date=' "Vice Despair Dragon" is hugely overpowered. Compared to the only other Lv.12 ATK gainer ("Dragon Master Knight") this is very easy to summon.

 

[b']I'll give the effect of Vice Pandora Dragon soon, when jadenkaiba finnishes it, but OK...

 

10*/DARK/Dragon/ATK3500/DEF3500/Synchro/Effect

"Vice Tuner" + 1 or more non-Tuner "Vice" monsters

This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of Synchro monsters. When this card attacks, halve the ATK of the attack target monster during Damage Calculation only. While you control this face-up card, all other monsters you control cannot declare an attack. When this card is on the field and destroyed, pay half of your Life Points, discard all cards from your hand to the Graveyard and remove from play this card from your Graveyard, to Special Summon 1 "Vice Despair Dragon" from your Deck or Graveyard.[/b]

 

And because of its effect, it will almost always inflict 5000 damage to your opponent. There are only a few cards that can actually launch a counterattack. The "Earthbound Immortal" monsters (since they can't be targeted) and "Relinquished" since it can equip this card. Although "Relinquished" won't be able to deal damage to your Life Points since this thing also negates the target's effect.

 

Unfortunately, even cards that return it to the hand aren't too much use since once it's been properly S.Summoned, it can be S.Summoned with a few other cards. (If it's returned to the hand, use "Allure of Darkness", then "Burial from the Different Dimension" (also if it's been RFPed with "B.T.H."), then "Call of the Haunted". And it's back.)

 

Unless "Vice Pandora Dragon" is almost impossible to summon, self-destructs quickly, or needs a selection of cards to activate its effect; this card is utterly broken.

 

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Fancy Hero Winona

 

Like Exa Raiun said, this is basically a direct counterpart-copy of Stratos. I would change the effect to be more in line with "Fancy Hero" effects; not E.Hero effects.

 

And the effect (at the moment) should read:

 

There can only be 1 face-up "Fancy Hero Winona" on the field. Once per turn, you can select and activate 1 of the following effects:

● When a "Fancy Hero" monster you control inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent, destroy 1 Spell or Trap Card your opponent controls.

● When a "Fancy Hero" monster you control destroys a monster by Battle and sends it to Graveyard, add 1 (Level Limit?) "Fancy Hero" monster from your Deck to your hand.

 

her effect is just once per turn...I don't think it needs a level limit because if Marian is not in your Graveyard, how can you normal summon a fancy hero after battle phase when you pick blair, shade ayame or shermie??

 

This is a good card to be when you pick aquamarie by this effect. and you can only have 1 Winona on the field so....

 

Not as good as usual.

 

5/10

[Thomas★Zero]

I like the design on these two they look awsome :)

[UltimateDarkness]

nice card but fixed the image a little

[chizuruotohime]

thanks

[Max Darkness]

I'll give the effect of Vice Pandora Dragon soon' date=' when jadenkaiba finnishes it, but OK...

 

10*/DARK/Dragon/ATK3500/DEF3500/Synchro/Effect

[i']"Vice Tuner" + 1 or more non-Tuner "Vice" monsters

This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of Synchro monsters. When this card attacks, halve the ATK of the attack target monster during Damage Calculation only. While you control this face-up card, all other monsters you control cannot declare an attack. When this card is on the field and destroyed, pay half of your Life Points, discard all cards from your hand to the Graveyard and remove from play this card from your Graveyard, to Special Summon 1 "Vice Despair Dragon" from your Deck or Graveyard.[/i]

 

That still makes it too easy to Summon "Vice Despair Dragon". It summons it on its demise, which is an easier condition to fill than tributing it at some point.

 

"Assault on GHQ" or "Chaos End" will make easy work of getting rid of "Vice Pandora" to summon "Vice Despair". Plus, with the fact that hand advantage is not as important in the current game, you might not have a very large hand to discard. And even half your Life Points isn't enough of a cost, since the monster you're summoning will wipe your opponent out in at most three turns.

 

Being a Synchro makes it too easy to Summon. If it were a Fusion or Ritual Monster, then it might be balanced, but as it stands, this is far too easy to get on the field, unless "Vice Tuner" is short-lived or hard to summon.

 

And of course, if you then draw "Return from the Different Dimension" or "Burial from the Different Dimension" (then activate "Call of the Haunted") you've got "Vice Pandora" back to summon a second "Vice Despair".

 

This pair of monsters is overpowered in the extreme. They're too easy to summon, blitz the field with overwhelming might and can only be countered by "D.D." or "Earthbound" Decks.