Niño Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 [align=center]I was thinking, is everyone really important to this world? Even the ones we wouldn't think are, do the homeless not remind us on some level that there is bad out there and to be aware of it, to study hard and keep working? Do the people in a position of power in this world, whether it be by voice or a knife tell us to stay faithful and even through the bad, good will arise. Do you agree with this? If not why?[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 You say the word World as if there was some Generality. There isn't thus, this discussion is based soley on personal opinion. And I believe that yes, everyone is important to this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 If you think that the purpose of the homeless is to serve as a reminder to you to continue helping yourself and that people with power over others are a symbol of the absolute goodness, then you are a monster unfit to discuss this topic. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 [align=center]I was thinking' date=' is everyone really important to this world? Even the ones we wouldn't think are, do the homeless not remind us on some level that there is bad out there and to be aware of it, to study hard and keep working? Do the people in a position of power in this world, whether it be by voice or a knife tell us to stay faithful and even through the bad, good will arise. Do you agree with this? If not why?[/size'][/align] Okay one... You don't have to look at the homeless to see the evil in the world look at the D.C and every other politician in the world. That should have woken your eyes up more then a homeless person. But you know what let me just say this everything is not as it seems. There is a more of a 3/4 chance those homeless you see are actually rich ass men/women dressing up as homeless and panhandling for more money. And as what Crab said I do agree you should be driven to succeed to help others not help your self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoDemonX Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 I agree with Crab but I also agree with this topic that everyone is one this earth to do something, ether it going to be bad or good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niño Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Guys, I wasn't looking for an argument. ;D This was a basic theory for people of maybe a religious contempt, aiming at Christians, God supposedly attempted to wipe everyone off the world except for one man and two of each animal. So why wouldn't he put people who are homeless out there to remind us? People who are well off that dress up of homeless people are theives, those among many to go to the underworld. This was meant to be looking from the aspect that there is a God and he is controlling of everyone and thing around us. I didn't state that before because I wanted to see if you guys could look beyond fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Any God who would put so many people in such a poor position as that of homeless people for the purposes of trying to teach the well-off a lesson is neither a kind and loving God nor a God worthy of our respect - he is a cruel, absurd monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niño Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Any God who would put so many people in such a poor position as that of homeless people for the purposes of trying to teach the well-off a lesson is neither a kind and loving God nor a God worthy of our respect - he is a cruel' date=' absurd monster.[/quote']Again, you fail to look past fact. He created the earth, saw us all through out our past lives, it could be very possible those who are homeless sinned in their past life or even in this life. I have a feeling that your next statement is going to be, "why would God feel that people who may have done right in this life but wrong in there past have to suffer?" This is perhaps because God awards people a new chance, under a theory that there were some kind of system in which you get, I don't know, just as a round off number, three chances, they commit three sins, and they are out. Also, under the assumption that God thinks like we do, would he also not grow tired and vengeful? After seeing centuries of sins that you have to deal with would you not just take out the ban hammer or give out a warning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatty Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Everyone is important to at least one person, and as every person is united to another via 6 links, yeah, it kinda makes sense. As poor as you might me, you dying would still mess up some doctor's and then some burryer's afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 According with my economy teacher, 30% of the population is unneeded, and in some point, someone of that 30% will want what you have and you'll end up dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niño Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 According with my economy teacher' date=' 30% of the population is unneeded, and in some point, someone of that 30% will want what you have and you'll end up dead...[/quote']Your Ecnomics teacher is stupid. Japan has a shortage of teachers, so people who can't find a job in teaching in say America could go to Japan and teach. Everyone is needed somewhere or for someone. Your Economics teacher just looks at fact. Thats why I don't like him / her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Any God who would put so many people in such a poor position as that of homeless people for the purposes of trying to teach the well-off a lesson is neither a kind and loving God nor a God worthy of our respect - he is a cruel' date=' absurd monster.[/quote']Again, you fail to look past fact. He created the earth, saw us all through out our past lives, Our past lives? Which God are we talking about here, exactly? Reincarnation isn't exactly a mainstream tenant in most religions that believe in the God of Judaism/Christianity/Islam (though I suppose the Cylons would have to believe in it). I mean, I think the Buddhist concept of reincarnation-until-enlightenment is the most reasonable conclusion from the premise that there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God that is infinitely loving and forgiving - far more so than the conclusion that you had better repent in this life or you're doomed forever - but this is still quite a shocking swerve. it could be very possible those who are homeless sinned in their past life So' date=' have we fully transitioned over to Hindu now? or even in this life. Don't give me that "prosperity gospel" and "visible elect" nonsense. The idea that poor people are poor because they are Teh Evulz in this life is just another bit of absurd victim blame that has always been other nonsense, from Job through modern Republicanism. I have a feeling that your next statement is going to be' date=' "why would God feel that people who may have done right in this life but wrong in there past have to suffer?"[/quote'] *looks back over my above statements* Nope. This is perhaps because God awards people a new chance' date=' under a theory that there were some kind of system in which you get, I don't know, just as a round off number, three chances, they commit three sins, and they are out.[/quote'] How is "three" meaningfully closer to infinity than "one"? That hardly seems to be a significant decision. Also' date=' under the assumption that God thinks like we do, would he also not grow tired and vengeful? After seeing centuries of sins that you have to deal with would you not just take out the ban hammer or give out a warning?[/quote'] Why, yes, if we were to reject the premises that God is omnietcetera as described above, then God probably would grow tired and evil and whatnot. However, if God thought as we did, God would probably treat Earth like we treat SimCity - with more Godzilla attacks. [Insert name/group/ideology here] just looks at fact. Thats why I don't like him / her. I am going to be honest here - this sounds like the most dangerous declaration of all time. Sadly, it is not an uncommon one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niño Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Any God who would put so many people in such a poor position as that of homeless people for the purposes of trying to teach the well-off a lesson is neither a kind and loving God nor a God worthy of our respect - he is a cruel' date=' absurd monster.[/quote']Again, you fail to look past fact. He created the earth, saw us all through out our past lives, Our past lives? Which God are we talking about here, exactly? Reincarnation isn't exactly a mainstream tenant in most religions that believe in the God of Judaism/Christianity/Islam (though I suppose the Cylons would have to believe in it).We are talking about a common beleif, people who respect all religions, who beleive that every religion is true, just looks at everything from a subtext or a different angle. When I say subtext, I mean the hidden meaning in the context, looking beyond mere text.I mean, I think the Buddhist concept of reincarnation-until-enlightenment is the most reasonable conclusion from the premise that there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God that is infinitely loving and forgiving - far more so than the conclusion that you had better repent in this life or you're doomed forever - but this is still quite a shocking swerve. it could be very possible those who are homeless sinned in their past life So' date=' have we fully transitioned over to Hindu now?[b']My above statement sorted this out... sort of.[/b]or even in this life. Don't give me that "prosperity gospel" and "visible elect" nonsense. The idea that poor people are poor because they are Teh Evulz in this life is just another bit of absurd victim blame that has always been other nonsense' date=' from Job through modern Republicanism.[b']This is nothing more than your opinion, some one who doesn't have faith.[/b]I have a feeling that your next statement is going to be' date=' "why would God feel that people who may have done right in this life but wrong in there past have to suffer?"[/quote'] *looks back over my above statements* Nope.(:This is perhaps because God awards people a new chance' date=' under a theory that there were some kind of system in which you get, I don't know, just as a round off number, three chances, they commit three sins, and they are out.[/quote'] How is "three" meaningfully closer to infinity than "one"? That hardly seems to be a significant decision.I beleive I said "just as a round off number" there could be any amount of numbers or whatever.Also' date=' under the assumption that God thinks like we do, would he also not grow tired and vengeful? After seeing centuries of sins that you have to deal with would you not just take out the ban hammer or give out a warning?[/quote'] Why, yes, if we were to reject the premises that God is omnietcetera as described above, then God probably would grow tired and evil and whatnot. However, if God thought as we did, God would probably treat Earth like we treat SimCity - with more Godzilla attacks.I never said he would grow evil, he is the embodiment of all that is good, he must have some extent to control his power, just to grow wiery.[Insert name/group/ideology here] just looks at fact. Thats why I don't like him / her. I am going to be honest here - this sounds like the most dangerous declaration of all time. Sadly' date=' it is not an uncommon one.[/quote']Which is why it has been passed onto my beliefs and I believe it. Oh also, Godzilla attacks = Tsunami's ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 People aren't important to this world, if we all die today, in a 1000 years time it would be like we were never here. (Natural Geographic channel did a documentary on this, by that point most of our infrastructure would have gone to the plants.)Actually it was only 2 of each animal if they were considered unclean, 7 if they were considered clean (Random QI fact) It could just be more, but sometimes I'm misanthropic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niño Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 People aren't important to this world' date=' if we all die today, in a 1000 years time it would be like we were never here. Actually it was only 2 of each animal if they were considered unclean, 7 if they were considered clean (Random QI fact)[/quote']Interesting. Never heard of that being preached. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 We are talking about a common beleif' date=' people who respect all religions, who beleive that every religion is true, just looks at everything from a subtext or a different angle. When I say subtext, I mean the hidden meaning in the context, looking beyond mere text.[/b']All religions can't be true. Every religion has their own beleifs and practice. How an something like Hinduism, which has a viable number of gods, be true while the beleifs of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism that say their is one God be true at the same time. Some religions don't have a even or hell so how can that be true at the same time that other "true" religions teach that those places exist. This whole thread works under the assumption that their is a god, but what if their wasn't. Or what if their was one but as deist beleive he is only a watch maker that made everything perfect and since has left everything alone. The core of this is "is a human life important" and that question doesn't need religion to be answered. A human life will always have an impact on the world, be it an aborted fetus or a women that lives to be 120. Their lives will always impact the lives of some one else and that impact sets of a chain that effect some else till it eventually imapcts a large part of the populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Either everyone is important, or no one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Another person in the world, might result in another smart mind. So, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JoshIcy Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I love this thread. 3/4 active supers responded, and 1 Mod did. We all broke your opinion in some manner. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Nothing is "important", but everything is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolta Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Of course I do... Things won't happen without everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Guys' date=' I wasn't looking for an argument. ;D This was a basic theory for people of maybe a religious contempt, aiming at Christians, God supposedly attempted to wipe everyone off the world except for one man and two of each animal. So why wouldn't he put people who are homeless out there to remind us? People who are well off that dress up of homeless people are theives, those among many to go to the underworld. This was meant to be looking from the aspect that there is a God and he is controlling of everyone and thing around us. I didn't state that before because I wanted to see if you guys could look beyond fact.[/quote'] And people do wonder why I am an Atheist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raylen Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 God loves everyone. Although it is sometimes necessary, to inflict pain on them (ex. the story of Job). Those who went through hardships will receive rewards when they go to heaven. That turned out too Christian. But everyone is important. They are a son of god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 God loves everyone. Although it is sometimes necessary' date=' to inflict pain on them (ex. the story of Job). Those who went through hardships will receive rewards when they go to heaven. That turned out too Christian. But everyone is important. They are a son of god.[/quote'] Of all the examples to use, you shouldn't have used Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatty Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 God loves everyone. Although it is sometimes necessary' date=' to inflict pain on them (ex. the story of Job). Those who went through hardships will receive rewards when they go to heaven. That turned out too Christian. But everyone is important. They are a son of god.[/quote'] Of all the examples to use, you shouldn't have used Job. I once saw a play in which a pissed off Job was waiting for God to greet him. Funny stuff. But does this discussion really have to do with religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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