Grammar Keywords?

[Guest JoshIcy]

Many of you are familiar with the card text:

This card inflicts Piercing Damage.

Which is a substitute for "During battle between this attacking card and a Defense Position monster whose DEF is lower than the ATK of this card, inflict the difference as Battle Damage to your opponent." Which according to the Wikia was only used on Cyberdark Horn and no other card. And well that got me thinking...

 

We already know the CardMaker has some serious text squishing issues. And if any of you are familiar with Magic The Gathering, they often use shortcuts like above to prevent a card from being cluttered and messy; after the first set where it's used the full descriptions are not only many cards and instead the shortened terms like "Dredge 2" and "Immunity to Blue" is used.

 

What if, we were to create a similar list of appropriate shortcuts for long effects that normally clutter up the cards, so we can focus more on the presentation, effect and balance rather than how carefully we would word it?

 

So go ahead, discuss it, talk about how you'd shorten it and if we're lucky get something done? And don't worry, talk amongst yourselves, I won't be tough here xD

[wero-vasto]

Agreed...

 

Making shortcuts would be better :/ thought I've got no list in mind <_<

[Guest Cursed Reaction]

Agreed as well. Had the exact same thing about Piercing Damage happen to one of my cards.

[LiAM]

If it's printed in the new OCG then it's fine.

 

But if the new cards have such long effects that the text is unreadable, then I suppose the substitute can be made.

 

Not sure how this would be taken up, but OCG isn't what makes a card, it's how it's used and the quality of it's effect.

[wero-vasto]

If it's printed in the new OCG then it's fine.

 

But if the new cards have such long effects that the text is unreadable' date=' then I suppose the substitute can be made.

 

Not sure how this would be taken up, [b']but OCG isn't what makes a card, it's how it's used and the quality of it's effect.[/b]

 

The principal reason to make the substitutions, we've got to learn that the OCG isn't that important...

[Hymn]

But it is. There's a reason Cyberdark Horn is the only monster with that written into its effect; because it looks unprofessional.

 

Most people post their card lores anyway, so why does it matter if you can't read it on the card? I'd rather see a card with a professional and legitimate looking effect text that may be a bit cluttered than a card which is easily readable but reading as if written in the vernacular.

 

Imagine if JD's effect said "Pay 1000 Life Points to blow up the field."

 

That's essentially what it does, but reading slang off of the card is no fun.

[-DOOM]

Well, 2 other effects that clutter up cards are the Gemini and Union phrases. I think they can be left out, since Gemini or Union in the Type line of the monster actually is a shortcut.

[Gaia Overload]

How about things like when it attacks it changes to defense, to something like Coward Defenses or whatever. (Goblin Attack Force ETC.) Also, make it instead of "This card can only be Fusion Summoned by the above fusion monsters returned to the Deck." to "this card is Contact Fusion." (Fusions like Glatiator Beast Heraklinos.) Other then that i have nothing.

[Guest JoshIcy]

But it is. There's a reason Cyberdark Horn is the only monster with that written into its effect; because it looks unprofessional.

 

Most people post their card lores anyway' date=' so why does it matter if you can't read it on the card? I'd rather see a card with a professional and legitimate looking effect text that may be a bit cluttered than a card which is easily readable but reading as if written in the vernacular.

 

Imagine if JD's effect said "Pay 1000 Life Points to blow up the field."

 

That's essentially what it does, but reading slang off of the card is no fun.

[/quote']

 

Actually it looks more professional in my eyes. The Bulk of the effect is already written, adding an extra 2-3 lines to the effect only would cause clutter issues.

 

However, your example for Judgment Dragon would be a case where the entire lore is preferred. Seeing as the effect does not clutter it on the cardmaker or force a person to post the lore. This suggestion exists for things like Unions and the longer effects that basically just take up space.

[Gaia Overload]

But it is. There's a reason Cyberdark Horn is the only monster with that written into its effect; because it looks unprofessional.

 

Most people post their card lores anyway' date=' so why does it matter if you can't read it on the card? I'd rather see a card with a professional and legitimate looking effect text that may be a bit cluttered than a card which is easily readable but reading as if written in the vernacular.

 

Imagine if JD's effect said "Pay 1000 Life Points to blow up the field."

 

That's essentially what it does, but reading slang off of the card is no fun.

[/quote']

 

As to you, we like to pretend our cards would be REAL and released in packs....at least i do.

[ChaosIncarn]

As far as I am concerned, I am all for the shortcuts of the more basic and frequently used effects of the game.

 

As for the concerns of "realism", these cards are NOT real to begin with. If you want your card to be squished, then more power to you. Nothing wrong with wishing to stick with traditional presentation. If you want to print and play, then of course you'd have to go traditional, but on here, why not go with shortcuts? Lore would he a hell of a lot easier to read, and the card would look a lot better in my opinion.

[Lord Smeagle]

I use Piercing Damage because it's easier and it's technically legit OCG - and it's a huge shortcut. For Geminis and Spirits, when I make them, I type out the whole effect.

 

Frankly, I wish the text-squishing was more efficient so we could have cards like Fusioh Richie...but w/e. I usually don't make effects that are all that long.

[-Griffin]

I could rant till I'm blue in the face. Won't. Shortcut = good. Piercing, and possibly Spirit/Union/Gemini are all that I think need it.

[:ABC:]

i agree with shortcuts, but the reason we want them is not to have to countinue to write, C&P, or read the really long effects needed for some types of monsters, we could use shortcuts, and, or, ask YCMaker to make an type of auto text for selecting union or gemini, etc... and we fill in the specifics, both would be good.

[wero-vasto]

In the case of Unions, Geminies and such Sub-Types; just writting the Sub-Type would be the Shortcut. If you're here you should at least know what does each Sub-Type do, is a BASIC knowledge of Yu-Gi-Oh!

[:ABC:]

the problem there is that unions sometimes need specfics by thir creators whim that making just saying union mess with people.

[Guest JoshIcy]

the problem there is that unions sometimes need specfics by thir creators whim that making just saying union mess with people.

 

Those would be obvious exceptions wouldn't it?

[:ABC:]

yes i'm just saying it because he said that you could know just from saying union

[J-Max]

To add to the general flow of the card, all OCG should still be there. I always do this and Post my Lore under the card.

[Guest Cursed Reaction]

Either we compile a list and force people to accept that the usefulness and actually seeing what the card is about is more important than the OCG things and if they don't know what 'Piercing Damage', for example, means, check a thread with this list that we will eventually make.

 

or

 

We rewrite the entire card-making system so it doesn't squash as much.

 

(I'm with the first, aren't you?)

 

With Union, I think that's the hardest to sort out since every Union's different. Spirits can be sorted out, so can Gemini, easily.

[wero-vasto]

The only difference of Unions that I can think is to what they can be equipped... in that case it would be in the Lore but the whole effect of an Union won't be that necessary...

[Gaia Overload]

Archfiends have a pretty long effect too, with the die roll? But i don't think you can really short it.

 

There's also no real error in Ritual Monsters, some people post the Spell effect in the Ritual Monster, but you don't. Otherwise you'd have to do it twice. Cross that off da list!

 

P.S. Out of all the ideas so far, i've posted a list of everything.

Da List

1) Unions [ ]

2) Gemini's [ ]

3) Ritual Monsters [X]

4) Piercing Damage (Undecided)

5) Contact Fusion [ ]

6) Archfiends [ ]

[Guest JoshIcy]

To add to the general flow of the card' date=' all OCG should still be there. I always do this and Post my Lore under the card.

[/quote']

 

Not OCG >_>... Just Grammar, nothing Official about it. And yes, that is up to you. Such a system would not be mandatory; and exist for those who do not like their cards being constantly squished and forced to post the Lore (such as myself and apparently many others in this thread).

 

@Cursed Reaction: No need to rewrite, in fact that would be a HUGE step after 3yrs of this. And due to the creativity of effects sometimes actually NEEDING the entire Lore (not all Spirits, Unions etc all follow the same rules just same mechanic). But rather, having an acceptable Shortcut/Keyword system in place is the goal here.

[wero-vasto]

Archfiends have a pretty long effect too' date=' with the die roll? But i don't think you can really short it.

 

There's also no real error in Ritual Monsters, some people post the Spell effect in the Ritual Monster, but you don't. Otherwise you'd have to do it twice. Cross that off da list!

 

P.S. Out of all the ideas so far, i've posted a list of everything.

[u']Da List[/u]

1) Unions [ ]

2) Gemini's [ ]

3) Ritual Monsters [X]

4) Piercing Damage (Undecided)

5) Contact Fusion [ ]

6) Archfiends [ ]

 

Archfiends is not a Sub-Type so it cannot be shorted...

Rituals are a Special case cuz some Rituals say that can only be Ritual Summoned by the Ritual Spell Card...

[Gaia Overload]

I know, but like Black Luster Soldier, it has the discard monsters with 8 stars yadda yadda yada, when it only needs to be posted once in Black Luster Ritual. If it was just a plain no effect Ritual, it would say "This card can only be Ritual Summoned by the Spell Card ----" No Star effect.

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And technically, Archtypes have their OWN effects, but it doesn't have to be a sub-type. Piercing Damage isn't a sub-type.