i know i'm a bit late with this but..

[arkel]

I don't like that faultroll is a +1 who usually leads into another +1

 

Gadgets

 

I also don't like that you can control more than one of him at a time.

 

If all banworthy targets are banned' date=' what's bad with reviving multiple balanced monsters per turn? Also, with Gottoms banned, why would you even want 2 Faultrolls out unless you could win that turn?[/b']

 

Also, saying you have to have boggart, a saber, and faultroll in hand is a joke considering darksoul can search ALL of that.

 

You need Darksoul in the grave 3 times to search all of them, and Sabers have no draw cards other than that equip thing.

[ihop]

Darksoul has Cat and Foolish.

[burnpsy]

What did Hyunlei and Gottoms do wrong?

 

Hyunlei is Feather Duster' date=' Gottoms is involved in the loop so 1 of the 3 cards had to be banned. I find Gottoms to be the most problematic, mainly because it's a Synchro and most, if not all Synchros, could arguably be banned.

[/quote']

 

Gottoms has valid use outside of Sabers and is only a problem when one gives it infinite fodder. Leave it be.

[That Fat Guy]

I don't like that faultroll is a +1 who usually leads into another +1

 

Gadgets

 

I also don't like that you can control more than one of him at a time.

 

If all banworthy targets are banned' date=' what's bad with reviving multiple balanced monsters per turn? Also, with Gottoms banned, why would you even want 2 Faultrolls out unless you could win that turn?[/b']

 

Also, saying you have to have boggart, a saber, and faultroll in hand is a joke considering darksoul can search ALL of that.

 

You need Darksoul in the grave 3 times to search all of them, and Sabers have no draw cards other than that equip thing.

 

Wow... really? I mean yes, looking at it from a LITERAL perspective, all those arguments make sense, but step into reality please. Gadgets, while all being +1's aren't 2400 self-special summons that special summon more guys and are great synchro fodder to boot.

 

Also, I'm assuming all their tuners, maybe airbellum cuz it's on the notepad of "generic YCM answers", aren't banworthy, so him being a synchro engine still stands. PS: chances are if you have 2 Faultroll in hand, you're winning that turn (And before you refute that with "I DRAW 2 FAULTROLL AND 4 VANILLAS THAT'S NOT A WINNING HAND", please die).

 

Oh, really? You need to search with Darksoul 3 times to get 3 monsters? You didn't draw into ANY of your 3-of's? One of them being "a level 4 or lower x-saber monster." Once again, step into reality. You also have Emmersblade to help you search, too. Getting 2 sabers on the field is a joke.

 

But whatever, this is just the YCM thing to do, right? Use 1 word answers, throw around the word banworthy alot, and look at cards from an idealistic perspective. IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY TALKING TO CRAB HELMET.

[Dr. Cakey]

It's Darksoul I tell you! DARKSOUUUUUUUUUUUUL!!!!

 

He is the problem. There's nothing wrong with Hyunlei, it's just that she's an easy alternative to Brionac in terms of creating openings. Most of the other X-Sabers are fairly average...and then, a lot of them are very good.

 

Slightly Off Topic: Anyone who thinks Airbellum should be Banned needs to think more carefully.

[Lolz Dialgaz]

lol, gottoms kinda fails!, it is too unreliable as a lv9...

OT:on the subject of TU03 i pulled a ultra chaos sourcered :D

[Tronta]

problems with the deck:

-darksoul is a godly sangan.

-faultroll is a +1, 2500 FREE beater that leads to stupid synchros. he also says once per turn, so funk my life if you don't kill him immediately.

-gottoms is funking ridiculous. how can you not see what's wrong with that.

-hunlei is brionac on crack. i mean, sure he trips starlight, but the fact that he's a feather duster with legs and easy as balls to make is just stupid. this is a pretty trap heavy meta, and he just runs that over. definitely a problem.

-cat has been bannable forever. in theory it isn't a problem, but they just keep releasing more and more broken targets for it.

-and that doesn't even mention the other sabers, who all point to each other and say 'get johnny from this place' 'when i'm summoned' or 'when i kill something by battle' or 'when i jack off on the table.'

 

seriously. too much synergy. half of these cards' only purpose is to grab each other. that's idiotic. i mean, i just can't believe i found an archetype i hate more than lightsworns.

[TechnoDoomedOne]

That means they are well-made as an Archetype. Still, they need to hit the main cheap cards that only create more advantage.

[Tronta]

^^it means they have great synergy. the definition of what makes up a 'well-made archetype' is subjective. i personally think it's a terribly-made archetype just because they went overboard and made them stupid powerful.

 

in terms of balance, i think too much synergy is a bad thing. and these guys have way too much synergy.

[Azuh]

The day that Vehicroids become meta, will be the day they have synergy

 

Synergy is a good thing. Don't blame it on the synergy, blame it on the cards that are just lolfucked

[Tronta]

in terms of balance, having too much synergy can be a problem. essentially it over powers the archetype as a whole, meaning they need to list things en masse.

[BulletMan]

All I'm going to say is: Rescue Cat, for all I care, can be BANNED.

 

Won't do too much, but they won't be AS big of problem as before.

[Flame Dragon]

As far as I can see' date=' Faultroll promotes good play since you have to have 2 Sabers to play him.

[/quote']

How is it a good play to have two monsters? That's something that should happened on the second turn.

 

The major problems with them are Faultroll and Hunlei. I also fail to see why banning Gottom would fix Faultroll since their are still other loops you can do with it.

[ihop]

Hyunlei's not a problem, it encourages conservative play.

The problems are Darksoul, Faultroll and Cat.

[Tronta]

Hyunlei's not a problem' date=' it encourages conservative play.

The problems are Darksoul, Faultroll and Cat.

[/quote']

 

isn't it a reckless play to hunlei when they have 3 sets, given all the starlights running around? if we accept that, then it's kind of hypocritical, or maybe just play silly, to argue that if a reckless play is punished by another reckless play, you should play conservatively. i think it's just silly, actually.

[Umbra]

But Sabers do that way too easily.

 

Without Cat' date=' the only way of doing that is Boggart Knight, which requires Faultroll and another Saber in your hand. Completely acceptable.

[/quote']

 

Did Gottoms' Emergency Call suddenly stop existing?

[Flame Dragon]

Hyunlei's not a problem' date=' it encourages conservative play.

The problems are Darksoul, Faultroll and Cat.

[/quote']

Hyunlei is basicly Feather Duster, only you give up being able to kill 2 more S/T for a 2300 beatstick so saying it encourages conservative play is like saying Feather Duster and Heavy do too. Last I check both were broken (one less questionable then the other) so if it holds true for them, why wouldn't it hold true for this?

 

How is Darksoul any different from other archtype searchs such as Stratos and to a lesser extent Jurrac Guivre and Shura the Blue Flame.

[Tronta]

Hyunlei's not a problem' date=' it encourages conservative play.

The problems are Darksoul, Faultroll and Cat.

[/quote']

Hyunlei is basicly Feather Duster, only you give up being able to kill 2 more S/T for a 2300 beatstick so saying it encourages conservative play is like saying Feather Duster and Heavy do too. Last I check both were broken (one less questionable then the other) so if it holds true for them, why wouldn't it hold true for this?

 

How is Darksoul any different from other archtype searchs such as Stratos and to a lesser extent Jurrac Guivre and Shura the Blue Flame.

 

well for one most search with difficult conditions. darksoul just has to be removed from the field, which makes synching with him a free +1. furthermore, most searchers have limitations on which ones they can search. being able to get what is essentially a REDMD mixed with shogun. wtf. and last, the more broken searchers, like stratos or witch, are listed.

[Flame Dragon]

Hyunlei's not a problem' date=' it encourages conservative play.

The problems are Darksoul, Faultroll and Cat.

[/quote']

Hyunlei is basicly Feather Duster, only you give up being able to kill 2 more S/T for a 2300 beatstick so saying it encourages conservative play is like saying Feather Duster and Heavy do too. Last I check both were broken (one less questionable then the other) so if it holds true for them, why wouldn't it hold true for this?

 

How is Darksoul any different from other archtype searchs such as Stratos and to a lesser extent Jurrac Guivre and Shura the Blue Flame.

 

well for one most search with difficult conditions. darksoul just has to be removed from the field, which makes synching with him a free +1. furthermore, most searchers have limitations on which ones they can search. being able to get what is essentially a REDMD mixed with shogun. wtf. and last, the more broken searchers, like stratos or witch, are listed.

Synchring with him makes it a +0. It's -2 for the monsters you loss, then a +1 for the synchro and and +1 for the Saber you search. And you get the same thing for Goblin Zombie who can search 99% of all zombies. As for the Jurrac and Shura they can both search for almost every monster in their archtype, and can keep using their effect as long as they're on the field.

 

Who is the REDMD mixed with shogun? I'm assuming Faultroll since he has the REDMD part, but I'm not sure about the Shogun. If it is Troll, you should always kill the broken cards the searchers search for and not the searchers.

 

And Stratos isn't "broken". The reason he's on the list is because he searches himself. If he couldn't do that he would be fine at 3.

[wiithepeople]

Lol Darksoul

 

Lol Saber Hole

[Manjoume Thunder]

Lol Darksoul

 

Lol Saber Hole

 

You are missing the point. We are complaining about the broken X-Saber cards. Not the mediocre ones that almost no one runs.

[wiithepeople]

Lol Darksoul

 

Lol Saber Hole

 

You are missing the point. We are complaining about the broken X-Saber cards. Not the mediocre ones that almost no one runs.

 

lolYCM

[Manjoume Thunder]

Lol Darksoul

 

Lol Saber Hole

 

You are missing the point. We are complaining about the broken X-Saber cards. Not the mediocre ones that almost no one runs.

 

lolYCM

 

Lol bad player trying to act to cool.

 

http://www.konami.com/yugioh/blog/?p=2928 - 3 out of 12 X-Saber duelists main it. 2 side it.

http://tcg.konami-europe.net/coverage/1094/top-8-decklists/ - 0 out of 3 X-Saber duelists main it. 0 side it.

http://www.konami.com/yugioh/blog/?p=3347 1 out of 16 X-Saber duelists main it. 1 sides it.

[Tronta]

well i can't figure out quote mechanics on this new thing. at least not yet, but

@flame dragon:

first, in terms of summoning conditions, troll is a shogun. in terms of effects, he's a redmd. make sense?

 

next, you're assuming circumstances of the synchro summon. it could just be cat->darksoul+airbellum->synchro, in which case it's a +1. my addition was merely for the purposes of demonstrating that he generates advantage regardless of what you do with him.

 

next, jurrac guy blows. because jurracs blow. i honestly don't even know his effect, because i honestly don't care. i shouldn't have spoken without knowing, true, but jurracs aren't great anyway.

 

shura, on the other hand, DOES need to destroy something by battle. which makes a roar, dprison, bottomless, etc effective against it. of those i listed, they're all still effective against darksoul, i suppose, because he needs to be graveyarded, but my point remains. destroying something by battle is a lot more difficult than getting your own guy sent to the graveyard. and with the revivability of darksoul, it doesn't really matter if you can't use his effect every turn inherently, since you're going to anyway. or rather, as much as you f***ing want per turn.

 

stratos gets some pretty stupid targets, or breakers, or just beats you down with 1800. he isn't broken, you're right, he's just stupidly good. as for the self searching.. konami needs to stop being so bad at errata-ing.

 

oh, and goblin zombie specifies defense (really a moot point with zombies), but he IS semi'd.

 

 

 

in theory, yes, you could fix darksoul by removing the broken targets. it's just a lot of targets. this archetype is f***ing stupid.

[MrCodyPwns]

Saber Hole is a pretty decent card. Helps stop those problem-matic monster summons, or those that can call prority, and gain some sort of advantage. I main 2, and they've saved my butt more than once.