Father Wolf Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Just Side trip or double E-Call you will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Meh' date=' [b']it still doesn't make it broken[/b]. Goblin Zombie and Stratos can both do that if they keep coming back. Again the problem is likely what ever card that kept bring him back.srsly ?If it was broken then Goblin Zombie and Stratos would be too since they have 2 things over him, the get the card right a way and both can be used to attack, Stratos making for a good beatstick. Flame Dragon, it's my personal opinion that Darksoul is the main thing that makes X-Sabers fully consistent (having never used them but read a ton of Feature Matches). Try comparing an X-Saber deck with and without Darksoul, and see how they do. Obviously it's not really broken on its own, but neither is Rescue Cat - if Airbellum didn't exist, it would probably be @ 3.Making a deck more consistent isn't bad. Goblin Zombie does the same thing. And yea, Cat wouldn't be broken if Airbellum wasn't around, but it exists so we do have a problem. The difference between this and Cat is that their are clearly broken cards at work, mainly Troll and that level 6 synchro. If Cat, Troll, and the synchro were all banned (for reasons that have nothing to do with this card) then this would be perfectly acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Duelist Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Gottoms' Emergency Call can't counter Cold Wave, Heavy Storm, Trunade, Mystical Space Typhoon, Dust Tornados. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Gottoms' Emergency Call can't counter Cold Wave, Heavy Storm, Trunade, Mystical Space Typhoon, Dust Tornados.Chain. Now what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Gideon. Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Chain. Now what? Empty field. Activate Cold/heavy/trunade. Summon Cat > Air + Air/darksoul. Faultroll. your end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Duelist Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Chain. Now what?I don't have an X-Saber on the field. I'll call in a judge and request a DQ for cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Empty field. Activate Cold/heavy/trunade. Summon Cat > Air + Air/darksoul. Faultroll. your end My comment was in regard to countering Gottoms' Emergency Call. Their example wouldn't work. And assuming this comment was on my play I wouldn't have an empty field. I'd have 2 monsters. And really any one could make up different plays. And nice use of broken cards. I don't have an X-Saber on the field. I'll call in a judge and request a DQ for cheating. Ok, fair point. But what if you did? And I wouldn't be DQ for something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Duelist Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 My comment was in regard to countering Gottoms' Emergency Call. Their example wouldn't work. And assuming this comment was on my play I wouldn't have an empty field. I'd have 2 monsters. And really any one could make up different plays. And nice use of broken cards. Ok, fair point. But what if you did? And I wouldn't be DQ for something like that.lol iknoooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 They won South American Nats and like 2 other nats. ITT: South America is a country... EDIT: Elemental Absorber... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 DNA Surgery - they can't synch Gottoms anymore. xD So far, we've mentioned the following: Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark WorldNeko Mane KingReign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark WorldD.D. CrowGottoms' Emergency CallSummon LimitThunder King Rai-OhRoyal OppressionGemini ImpsXX-Saber GottomsBig BurnTualatinDNA Surgery Let's stop for a minute and figure out what the best counter to sabers is, as opposed to just listing them. As you can see, this list is slowly getting long. Some of these things only stop an element of the deck. Goldd, Neko Mane King, Reign-Beaux, Summon Limit and Gemini Imps only seem to stop the loop. Crow only stops the loop and recovery of one of their Darksouls, but stops the loop in an arguably more reliable fashion than Goldd, Neko Mane King and Reign-Beaux, as those have a chance of not triggering until the rest of the hand or a substantial portion of it is gone, while Crow can just stop it before things get out of hand, but you still lose a few cards if the X-Saber player decides to use the remaining X-Sabers to do so. There was an argument a few posts ago about how Call can get stopped. Yes, a problem with Call is that it is a trap and is as vulnerable as all of said traps. The same problem hits Big Burn, Summon Limit, Royal Oppression and DNA Surgery, but the serious three of these four can backfire on oneself and aren't really all that splashable because of that. While Tualatin is OKish after it actually comes into play, its summoning requirements are still far too situational. IMO, the best anti-X-Saber card is one of these: Rai-OhReign-BeauxNeko Mane KingCall Of these, I prefer Rai-Oh and Neko Mane King, as they're the least counterable and most splashable of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 DNA Surgery - they can't synch Gottoms anymore. xD So far, we've mentioned the following: Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark WorldNeko Mane KingReign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark WorldD.D. CrowGottoms' Emergency CallSummon LimitThunder King Rai-OhRoyal OppressionGemini ImpsXX-Saber GottomsBig BurnTualatinDNA Surgery Let's stop for a minute and figure out what the best counter to sabers is, as opposed to just listing them. As you can see, this list is slowly getting long. Some of these things only stop an element of the deck. Goldd, Neko Mane King, Reign-Beaux, Summon Limit and Gemini Imps only seem to stop the loop. Crow only stops the loop and recovery of one of their Darksouls, but stops the loop in an arguably more reliable fashion than Goldd, Neko Mane King and Reign-Beaux, as those have a chance of not triggering until the rest of the hand or a substantial portion of it is gone, while Crow can just stop it before things get out of hand, but you still lose a few cards if the X-Saber player decides to use the remaining X-Sabers to do so. There was an argument a few posts ago about how Call can get stopped. Yes, a problem with Call is that it is a trap and is as vulnerable as all of said traps. The same problem hits Big Burn, Summon Limit, Royal Oppression and DNA Surgery, but the serious three of these four can backfire on oneself and aren't really all that splashable because of that. While Tualatin is OKish after it actually comes into play, its summoning requirements are still far too situational. IMO, the best anti-X-Saber card is one of these: Rai-OhReign-BeauxNeko Mane KingCall Of these, I prefer Rai-Oh and Neko Mane King, as they're the least counterable and most splashable of them.You are aware that most decks are maining at least 1 Oppression, right? It is the most. Reliable. Way. To stop. Anything. For God's sake, the X-Sabers you're so afraid are ALSO maining Oppression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Gideon. Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 DNA Surgery - they can't synch Gottoms anymore. xD So far, we've mentioned the following: Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark WorldNeko Mane KingReign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark WorldD.D. CrowGottoms' Emergency CallSummon LimitThunder King Rai-OhRoyal OppressionGemini ImpsXX-Saber GottomsBig BurnTualatinDNA Surgery Let's stop for a minute and figure out what the best counter to sabers is, as opposed to just listing them. As you can see, this list is slowly getting long. Some of these things only stop an element of the deck. Goldd, Neko Mane King, Reign-Beaux, Summon Limit and Gemini Imps only seem to stop the loop. Crow only stops the loop and recovery of one of their Darksouls, but stops the loop in an arguably more reliable fashion than Goldd, Neko Mane King and Reign-Beaux, as those have a chance of not triggering until the rest of the hand or a substantial portion of it is gone, while Crow can just stop it before things get out of hand, but you still lose a few cards if the X-Saber player decides to use the remaining X-Sabers to do so. There was an argument a few posts ago about how Call can get stopped. Yes, a problem with Call is that it is a trap and is as vulnerable as all of said traps. The same problem hits Big Burn, Summon Limit, Royal Oppression and DNA Surgery, but the serious three of these four can backfire on oneself and aren't really all that splashable because of that. While Tualatin is OKish after it actually comes into play, its summoning requirements are still far too situational. IMO, the best anti-X-Saber card is one of these: Rai-OhReign-BeauxNeko Mane KingCall Of these, I prefer Rai-Oh and Neko Mane King, as they're the least counterable and most splashable of them. They can easily play around Rai-Oh with Brain/ Mind/ saber Slash/ etc ..,They may use cold/trunade/heavy before they start the loop, so Call is not good enough sometimesand Neko mane is bad because they usualy do the hand emptying loop after attacking So in my opinon Beaux IS the best counter to them, punishes them so hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Duelist Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I do not understand why you guys think the loop is so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I do not understand why you guys think the loop is so good. Especially when no one uses it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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