XX Saber- Dosequis Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 frogs arent the only ones that can abuse this card. couldnt a simple faultroll loop do the same? i tried it in my x saber deck just for kicks and it does work, sure it could be a dead draw but with sabers its not hard to get what you need to your hand. its not something im keeping in the deck this topic is just to see everyones opinions. Oh and it really takes the fun out of the duel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 It's just another reason why Faultroll should be banned. The real reason people don't use Mass Driver while running Sabers is because it's slow. Same thing applies for Saber Hole (as good as a card it is). Just using staples and certain sabers is alot faster than having to set up the OTK which requires a Faultroll in your grave, one in your hand, playing ragigura, and a mass driver on your field. I'm not saying, OH LOOK ANOTHER FTK, KILL IT! But rather, X-Sabers are already broken enough and don't need to use an inconsistent OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 At the time of Faultroll's print, it wasnt really [i]THAT[/i] broken. But over time..... Yea, its broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fader Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Ahem you mean Sex gayber failtroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosuke Kiryu Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1284245472' post='4618389'] At the time of Faultroll's print, it wasnt really [i]THAT[/i] broken. But over time..... Yea, its broken. [/quote] Please tell me you're kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 [quote name='Kyosuke Kiryu' timestamp='1284246540' post='4618456'] Please tell me you're kidding [/quote] *Looked up what pack Failtroll was in* ....Yea, I was kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Incognito:. Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 What loop is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='.:Spongebob:.' timestamp='1284258289' post='4619223'] What loop is this? [/quote] Faultroll on field & grave/hand + Airbellum + Ragigura. Summon Gottoms, use loop of faultroll => Ragigura (Faultroll from grave to hand) => faultroll from hand, sack used Faultrol + ragigura => summon Ragigura to restart loop Replace Gottom with Mass Driver for LP kill instead of hand kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 People shouldn't be putting the blame on Mass Driver It isn't his fault, yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 The loop is terrible and inconsistent. Don't even put it in the same thread with Frog FTK. ALso, X-Sabers are not the only deck that can O/FTK with Mass Driver. Six Samurai can. And there was one other loop, but I cannot remember what it used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 SuccessFaultroll is banworthy even outside this loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1284274614' post='4619870'] The loop is terrible and inconsistent. Don't even put it in the same thread with Frog FTK. ALso, X-Sabers are not the only deck that can O/FTK with Mass Driver. Six Samurai can. And there was one other loop, but I cannot remember what it used. [/quote] Quillbolt Hedgehog OTK also has a loop with Mass Driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='Mr.Woof Woof' timestamp='1284280742' post='4619953'] Quillbolt Hedgehog OTK also has a loop with Mass Driver. [/quote] Only it can't FTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='Judgment Phoenix' timestamp='1284280875' post='4619955'] Only it can't FTK. [/quote] It can ftk in traditional format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='Mr.Woof Woof' timestamp='1284281494' post='4619972'] It can ftk in traditional format. [/quote] Oh yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Lol Traditional Format xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Saber OTK with Mass Driver is inconsistent and creates dead hands a lot of the time. Sabers are better just by running them generically and doing the loop with Gottoms when you can. Faultroll should be @0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 If you ban Failtroll...There is no point in running sabers. Failtroll makes the deck, I would say give him the JD treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='Mark of the Bloo-D Rose' timestamp='1284283501' post='4620001'] If you ban Failtroll...There is no point in running sabers. Failtroll makes the deck, I would say give him the JD treatment [/quote] If an archetype needs a banworthy card to be good, it deserves to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [quote name='Judgment Phoenix' timestamp='1284285453' post='4620031'] If an archetype needs a banworthy card to be good, it deserves to suck. [/quote] True, but Lightsworns are also decent without JD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azmodius Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Just run 2 Mass Driver, 3 Emmersblade, 3 Rat, and generic sabers. Then run Reckless Greed, Upstart Goblin, and Hand Destruction and 1 for 1 in X Sabers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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