From the Head Judge

[Professional Duelist]

[quote]I was YCS Bochum's Head Judge. First of all, I would like to emphasize that I didn't arbitrarily make up a couple of rulings.

In fact, a KoE official told me that we had to apply a few rules changes which they received from Konami of Japan just recently - as a result of the Japanese EC 2010 Head Judge noticing that we're ruling stuff differently from the OCG would rule them (... wait what, really?).


So we got three rulings within a really short and vague mail:
- 0 ATK vs 0 ATK
If two monsters in Attack Position with zero ATK battle each other, none of them are destroyed.

- XX-Saber Darksoul
The effect does not activate when it's sent to the Graveyard. Its effect is supposed to activate in the End Phase.
(NOTE: This is where the particular description ENDS, so this leaves a lot of options on how to rule Darksoul - especially e.g. vs. D.D. Crow!)

- You cannot activate Solemn Judgment against Battle Fader's effect Special Summoning itself.
(not really the hottest news but yeah, we seriously did receive this ruling, I wonder what went wrong at the EC, lol)



The Darksoul ruling is seriously awkward if you ask me, but well it was issued by KoJ so I was forced to stick with it. In order to keep the players happy, I wanted to apply the known ruling as far as possible (i.e. you can search multiple times starting multiple chains during the End Phase if it got sent to the Graveyard multiple times & you can search even if it got removed by D.D. Crow).
Had I revised the known ruling (and thus forbidden to use the effect multiple times or if it got removed by D.D. Crow) so that it made more sense with the End Phase trigger, the X-Saber players might have pulled me out of the hall and beat the **** out of me because their key card they've been relying on during all those weeks of testing would have been nerfed a LOT.
(So I chose the option to make the Chivalry mainers unhappy because they would have been outnumbered by our judge team...)

I do know that there are official rulings on Genex Neutron that tell different tales but then again, I wanted to comfort the players as much as possible.


Concerning Solemn Warning: Prior to the event, I asked the KoE official if they knew how the card was supposed to work. They answered that they didn't know. Then, I asked whether they could make a call to the R&D in the USA or Japan but due to the different time zones, they said this wouldn't have been possible (it was Saturday in Japan and midnight in the USA). So I had to sort it out myself and even though I would have ruled it correctly by intuition, I sticked with the majority of my judges' opinions and relied on the phrase "activation of a [...] Spell Card".


If you got any further questions, feel free to ask them!


Greets,
Harti[/quote]

So basically from this:

0 ATK vs 0 ATK - neither get destroyed, which is the opposite of what KDE recently ruled but consistent with old school KOJ rulings

Dark soul does not activate when sent to grave. It activates in the end phase. Also, it starts a chain in the end phase. Weird but whatever.

The Solemn Warning vs Launcher ruling was basically the HJ being a retard and not knowing the OCG text/rulings. There is NO mention that the TCG has different rulings than OCG and he took it upon himself to change the rule.
I would recommend people not following his ruling and continue using the OCG ruling, which is to say that SW can be used to negate the EFFECT of a card that special summons, not just the activation of a card that special summons

[byak]

lol

[Toffee.]

Derp, Macro Cosmos causes an auto-deckout agenst Lightsworns

[El Majishan]

sooo, just to be clear, you can no longer get multiple searches off a single darksoul being sent to the grave multiple times?

[Professional Duelist]

According to this from rulings article for the YCS, it would not matter if it were the same Darksoul hitting the grave at multiple times.
[quote]XX-Saber Darksoul

During the opening speech, Harti told the players that XX-Saber Darksoul will be ruled in the following way: XX-Saber Darksoul will only trigger during the End Phase! This means you can’t use Chivalry if it gets destroyed as a result of battle.

This will certainly be of importance today as some players wanted to side in Chivalry against the ever popular X-Saber monsters! Furthermore, XX-Saber Darksoul can still trigger multiple times. So don’t be afraid to set up a huge play with XX-Saber Darksoul and XX-Saber Faultroll, even if you bring out multiple Synchro Monsters by Tuning X-Saber Fulhelmknight to XX-Saber Darksoul several times, you can search your deck for every single time XX-Saber Darksoul hit the Graveyard.

One more thing that might be of importance: If XX-Saber Darksoul triggers multiple times during the End Phase, the effects will not form a Chain. Simply resolve one effect after another and use a separate Chain for every instance of XX-Saber Darksouls effect.[/quote]

[El Majishan]

[quote name='Professional Duelist' timestamp='1285718139' post='4665113']
According to this from rulings article for the YCS, it would not matter if it were the same Darksoul hitting the grave at multiple times.
[/quote]

me is happy.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Professional Duelist' timestamp='1285718139' post='4665113']
According to this from rulings article for the YCS, it would not matter if it were the same Darksoul hitting the grave at multiple times.
[/quote]

Now that makes no sense.

If it activated and resolved when it was destroyed, then it would make sense.

But it makes absolutely no sense for it to activate multiple times during the end phase.

The way they're ruling it now, "If this card was sent to the Graveyard" is now a condition for activation. That makes "During the End Phase" the Trigger, and "Search 1 X-saber from your deck and add it to the hand" is the effect.

No matter how many times it is sent to the Graveyard, "If this card was sent to the Graveyard" is only a condition. As a condition, it means that it is only True or False. It doesn't count anything at all outside of that.

There is no way that it could still rule that it can activate multiple times because it can't now with the change they did >_>;

It either has to:

A: Activate and Resolve when it is sent to the Graveyard, allowing it to be used multiple times during the End Phase equal to the number of successful resolutions that turn (If "If this card was sent to the Graveyard" was the Trigger for activation)

or

B: Activate during the End Phase only if it was sent to the Graveyard that turn. (If "If this card was sent to the Graveyard" was only a condition for activation where "During the End Phase" is the Trigger that activate it. During the End Phase only happens once per turn and therefore should only activate and resolve once).


I hate how TCG Konami likes to make stuff up as they go along but it doesn't make any sense at all. They're mixing A and B together and now the rulings no longer make sense at all @_@

As that so called letter states, it was to "make some players happy" while not making any sense to the card text or standardization at all x.x In any case, that's some bad BKSS right there. Good for Darksoul users i guess, but bad in regards to its lore.

[Wrathos]

So the judge didn't enforce the rules correctly because he was afraid he would be disliked?

What a pussy.

[.Nu-13]

loldarksoulruling

[Professional Duelist]

I'm letting you know that the ruling was issued by [b]KOJ[/b]. He KNEW how the ruling should be ruled.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Professional Duelist' timestamp='1285797835' post='4667152']
I'm letting you know that the ruling was issued by [b]KOJ[/b]. He KNEW how the ruling should be ruled.
[/quote]

REPOST~

Incorrect.

According to the letter you posted in the first note, the entire letter was written by YCS Bochum's Head Judge's Harti who is NOT KOJ that i can tell from your two posts.. The only thing it says there that KOJ said in the first letter was "Darksoul activates during the End Phase".

Harti is also the one who wrote/said the entire second post which states it can still be used multiple times.

So as far as I can tell, yes KOJ stated it only activates during the End Phase BUT KOJ DID NOT STATE that it can still activate multiple times.

Unless Harti and KOJ are the same people, KOJ did not state it could be used multiple times. Harti said that.

[Professional Duelist]

[quote]The Darksoul ruling is seriously awkward if you ask me, but well it was issued by KoJ so I was forced to stick with it. In order to keep the players happy, I wanted to apply the known ruling as far as possible (i.e. you can search multiple times starting multiple chains during the End Phase if it got sent to the Graveyard multiple times & you can search even if it got removed by D.D. Crow).[/quote]

If these were two seperate sentences, what was the known ruling?

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Professional Duelist' timestamp='1285799295' post='4667239']
If these were two seperate sentences, what was the known ruling?
[/quote]

Read exactly what you posted:

[i]- XX-Saber Darksoul
The effect does not activate when it's sent to the Graveyard. Its effect is supposed to activate in the End Phase.
(NOTE: This is where the particular description ENDS, so this leaves a lot of options on how to rule Darksoul - especially e.g. vs. D.D. Crow!)[/i]

Clearly, all he got from KOJ was "its effect is supposed to activate in the End Phase.". As you can see, rulings were left open in regards to how D.D. Crow affects it as well as everything else.

The "known rulings" he's referring to are the current TCG rulings. He kept the TCG rules the same to "make players happy" in regards to D.D. Crow as well as the multiple uses (and probably to save him the hassle of explaining to ever single X-Saber user any new rules he'd have to make up on the spot). He didn't use his mind at all in regards to how it should be ruled based on this new information KOJ set out.

[Dries965]

Good thing, i hadnt D.D. Crows in my hand against X-Saber, i really thought if it would get removed before End Phase it couldn't activate anymore,



Where you the same Head Judge who said Bottomless Traphole does target, my friend was pretty pissed losing a duel to that

If the opponent has "Lord of D." on the field and activates "The Flute of Summoning Dragon" to Special Summon 2 copies of "Blue-Eyes White Dragon", you can activate this card and both will be removed from play. "Lord of D." does not protect the Dragons because "Bottomless Trap Hole" does not target. The same situation would occur if only 1 "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" was Special Summoned, "Bottomless Trap Hole" still does not target.[1]

[HaouJudai]

saying you can't solemn warning a battle fader is the same as saying you can't royal oppression it. Wrong.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Except that Solemn Warning's wording is completely different.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1285848839' post='4668507']
saying you can't solemn warning a battle fader is the same as saying you can't royal oppression it. Wrong.
[/quote]

Solemn Judgment cannot negate Battle Fader because Solemn Judgment cannot negate a Special Summon that occurs due to a card's effect.

I see no reason for Solemn Warning to not work against Battle Fader.

[Mehmani]

BKSS bullshit strikes again, obviously. Harti was just being a total pussy, besides, your average Yugioh player is not going to be good in an actual fight.

[byak]

[quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1285881798' post='4669372']
BKSS bullshit strikes again, obviously. Harti was just being a total pussy, besides, your average Yugioh player is not going to be good in an actual fight.
[/quote]

huge fights at ycs's.