mythcaptor Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Hidden Arsenal 3 is coming out Dec 7 look at these [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Barkion[/url] Barkion with Bamboo Shoot 100% locks down your opponent’s back row, and at 2500 attack, It is decent offensively, considering that you cant d-prison it [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Dragonfly[/url] beast in late game. 4 naturias in the GY, and its indestructible by battle. Imagine this, Barkion, and Bamboo shoot out at the same time. [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Sunflower[/url] heavy price. im skeptical on this one, but effect negation is always nice. [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Cliff[/url] synchro with this and you get another level 4. Always nice. [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Tulip[/url] meh, its nice to have a little attack power as by nature, naturias are weak, but idk about this one. [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Horneedle[/url] at 1800 atk, this card is amazing. Negate Special Summons, including synchros, plus its naturias much needed beat stick. [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Fruitfly[/url] Im not sure what to think about this. It could be amazing in certain situations, but a complete dead draw in others. Again, it makes Naturias offensively stronger, which is much needed, plus mind control is nice. Im gonna say win. Your thoughts? [url]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Naturia_Hydrangea[/url] Free beatstick, defense, or synchro material. More greatness! Naturia already has the amazing bamboo shoot, beast, and pineapple. They have quick synchro spamming, antimeta, lockdown, and now, even beatsticks. I could actually see naturia hitting tier one. What do you think? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 ITT: Optional effects don't miss the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 So what if Cliff isn't broken? Dragonfly, Horneedle and Fruitfly are awesome. I was disappointed when I saw Pineapple's effect because the Naturia insects are what drew me to the archetype. I plan to have fun with Extrio's Tusk next set. Urgent Tuning with Rock is awesome in that deck for surprise plays. That deck is just fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 [quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1287755755' post='4725567'] So what if Cliff isn't broken? Dragonfly, Horneedle and Fruitfly are awesome. I was disappointed when I saw Pineapple's effect because the Naturia insects are what drew me to the archetype. I plan to have fun with Extrio's Tusk next set. Urgent Tuning with Rock is awesome in that deck for surprise plays. That deck is just fun. [/quote] though, these cards have already been released in america, but i also like this archetype, and i'm gonna make a new naturia deck when this is released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Naturias are potential Tier 1 material with these. I said several months ago that Naturias would be the new Blackwings, I just hope that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 I am a fan of almost every archtype from the Duel Terminal Series (X-Sabers being the only one I don't like. The rest I love completely). Naturias are awesome, though they do tend to have dead draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.3.S. X Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Bambooshoot negates spell AND trap cards. If you have it out, Barkion is not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythcaptor Posted October 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 your right. That was just a stupid mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 [quote]http://yugioh.wikia....i/Naturia_Cliff synchro with this and you get another level 4. Always nice.[/quote] [quote]ITT: Optional effects don't miss the timing.[/quote] Naturias are terrible. Only the synchros and to some extent Pineapple are worth running. Their only shot at becoming a competitive deck was Bambooshoot (cwutididthar) but every deck mains about 10 answers to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythcaptor Posted October 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 ...Manjourn, how long have you played Yugioh? Have you even seen all the Naturias? They can lock down an opponent’s field easier than any other archtype, and they have two good tuners, and several other good synch material monster that together give them tier one speed synchro. Please do your research (400th post ftw! Level four member ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I don't know about me, but I know that you haven't played enough to understand a simple ruling. Stop. Being. Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Um, as long as the synchro doesn't have an effect that activates when it's summoned, I don't see why cliff would miss the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythcaptor Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Im not amazing, but I win local tourneys, and certainly know the game, so “STOP. BEING. BAD” really doesnt do anything except make me think less of you.EDIT: It doesnt miss timing btw, It works perfectly as synchro material, you do get another lv 4. Checked the rulings myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 only good thing here looks like the synchro and possibly Naturia Whomp.. If only 3 cards in an entire archetype are good, then they suck (LOL Machinas and GKs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Naturias have potential. There are also the ones that are coming in the next packs. I love Cliff. It might be able to loose the timing, but you can still Tribute it for Bambooshoot (because Bambooshoot's effect is Continuous), use it for Synchro, and get it destroyed by battle most of the time. I'm now waiting for the Butterfly and the rest of the Spell Cards. Only time will actually show weather they become tier 1 or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythcaptor Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Ive won tourneys with my Machina. Its a great deck. I dont know what your talking bout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 [quote name='mythcaptor' timestamp='1287896609' post='4730991'] Ive won tourneys with my Machina. Its a great deck. I dont know what your talking bout. [/quote] how many of the Machinas do you use though? Fortess, Force, Gearframe, [i]possibly[/i] Peacekeeper. yea no you use Machina Gadgets. pure bred Machinas suck. A friend of mine uses a great Machina deck using FuFu and Overload Fusion, and I personally use a GK deck. I'm not saying they suck, but making them purebred makes them terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythcaptor Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 no really? Just machinas suck? MIND. BLOWN. no but seriously, its kinda obvious that you cant make a good deck that JUST uses machina. I play Machina Gadgets, but is still a machina deck. The same about Naturias. They need support from other non naturia cards but with that support I think they can hit tier 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Cliff misses all kinds of timing since his effect is optional. The last thing to happen on the field has to be his demise so when you synchro with or tribute him the last thing to happen on the field is that a monster was summoned so he misses his timing. Cliff is on field Tributed and sent to the grave. Must activate effect here. But alas a monster is in the middle of being summoned to he misses the timing. Kind of like when you draw into Exodia during Graceful Charity. Exodia misses the timing. That being said I think Naturia's are awesome and with Extrio's Tusk and Forest/Synchro shenanigans they have the potential to be pretty formidable. They need some kind of broken revival card though to start sweeping punks under the rug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 [quote name='Zkaiser' timestamp='1287963520' post='4733721'] Cliff misses all kinds of timing since his effect is optional. The last thing to happen on the field has to be his demise so when you synchro with or tribute him the last thing to happen on the field is that a monster was summoned so he misses his timing. Cliff is on field Tributed and sent to the grave. Must activate effect here. But alas a monster is in the middle of being summoned to he misses the timing. Kind of like when you draw into Exodia during Graceful Charity. Exodia misses the timing. That being said I think Naturia's are awesome and with Extrio's Tusk and Forest/Synchro shenanigans they have the potential to be pretty formidable. They need some kind of broken revival card though to start sweeping punks under the rug. [/quote] hmm.. I had understood that stuff that misses the timing only missed the timing against other effects. Not other actions such as Summoning. That example.. Graceful Charity's discarding part is an "effect", so I'm still to see an example that demonstrates how Cliff misses the timing with a Tribute Summon like bambooshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Cards miss the timing when they're optional effects with Triggers that occur in the middle of a chain or other effect resolving. Exodia doesn't "miss the timing", it just can't be declared a victory until that particular action is finished. Graceful Charity still needs to discard 2 before it's finished resolving. Cliff is worded that being sent to the graveyard must be the last thing to occur. If you Tribute or Synchro with it, it is sent to the graveyard, but a monster is Summoned last in the event, so Cliff misses the timing. A card like Geartown must be destroyed to get its effect. Destroying it by activating a new field Spell of your own does destroy it, but the action isn't completed until the activated Field Spell resolves, so Geartown misses the timing. An opponent activating a new field destroys the field spell AS it successfully resolves, so Gear doesn't miss the timing then. Setting your own field kills Geartown, but the action is completed there, since no further action is taken, and Geartown gets its effect. Mandatory effects like Sangan will never miss the timing, no matter how it was sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythcaptor Posted October 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 all right, thanks for clearing that up everyone. I swear that isnt in yugioh wiki’s rulings, but thats probably just because Konami hasn't released cliff’s rulings in english, and no one wanted to translate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 No, it's because something happened to the wiki and a lot of stuff (mainly rulings) is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Horneedle sounds like a blast to play, but I want mantis to arrive soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 [quote name='0-Chill' timestamp='1288033699' post='4735840'] Horneedle sounds like a blast to play, but I want mantis to arrive soon. [/quote] mantis is gonna be in duel terminal 4 in USA, and hidden arsenal 4 in UK, which maybe next year or something i dunno, cuz i know it was in DT07 in JPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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